This sucks balls

What happened to all the range personnel?  They had enough to man the range Wed. thru Fri. 12-4 and all day Sat. and Sun.

They got laid off or do they still have lead in their bodies?

Didn't they always do M-F

Closed M and Tues

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Closed to the public
Monday, Tuesday

Range is used Monday and Tuesday by different agencies

What happened to all the range personnel?  They had enough to man the range Wed. thru Fri. 12-4 and all day Sat. and Sun.

They got laid off or do they still have lead in their bodies?

all the part time personnel were laid off

The new rules aren't that bad and can improve things when the range is busy.

The signup starts at 7am, it doesn't say you have sign in at that time to shoot at 3pm nor does it say you can't sign up for a second time slot after your first one is done.

The time limits do help at busy times with people taking up a lane and not shooting.  In fact it is a safer practice to reduce the number of people near the firing line that aren't shooting to avoid distractions.

The policy says persons finished shooting must depart the facility.  I imagine that means the shooting area and not the grassy field area.

50y rifle target line was probably never authorized as there's no backstop for those rounds.  Like the 200 and 400 yard targets before.

Hanging steel targets at 100 yards should be okay, wonder why they took it off?  I could see the possibility of riccochets reflecting off the 50 yard targets and hitting a 100 yard steel target and coming back, but they took it out.

They should allow drinks at the range as it gets hot there.  You don't have the same lead contamination issues as eating food.

It could interrupt classes though an instructor could get a permit, or just have another instructor or student signup for another lane or time slot.

The new rules will negatively impact clubs. Chinese Gun Club will not be able to hold NRA or CMP sanctioned matches. Hawaii Historical Arms will not be able to host fun matches, live history events or potlucks. XShots will not be able to hold smallbore matches that help high school students compete for college scholarships.

The action bays, skeet and trap, and silhouette ranges are still closed. All the clubs that use those ranges are SOL.

This is the strangulation of the shooting community. Only people with connections and $$$ will be able to participate in competitive shooting sports.

There are even neighborhood board and State resolutions to shut down the Pu'uloa Ranges.

This is the strangulation of the shooting community.

This sucks balls

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Not ideal and certainly not happy or satisfied with what appears to be coming.  However, that there appears to be solid plans for the range to re-open is promising.  Hopefully opening for eventual pushes for other areas/portions of the range.  Again, not satisfied, but progress. . .

The new rules will negatively impact clubs. Chinese Gun Club will not be able to hold NRA or CMP sanctioned matches. Hawaii Historical Arms will not be able to host fun matches, live history events or potlucks. XShots will not be able to hold smallbore matches that help high school students compete for college scholarships.

The action bays, skeet and trap, and silhouette ranges are still closed. All the clubs that use those ranges are SOL.

This is the strangulation of the shooting community. Only people with connections and $$$ will be able to participate in competitive shooting sports.

There are even neighborhood board and State resolutions to shut down the Pu'uloa Ranges.

I think they're still working on rules for the bay areas.  THis sounds like just the right side, excluding silly side.

I liked when I could go first thing in the morning maybe a little earlier than 0800, walk in and get a table, shoot for an hour or 2, then be on my way to do what I need to do for the day
now can't make plans for the rest of the day until you get your appointment time, then you need to plan around your appointment time.  sucks
I'm pretty busy and don't have time to be waiting on standby for a whole day bc I want to shoot
but if that's how its going to be, then ok family, you guys be on standby bc I like shoot.  can't go to your son's soccer game bc we need to get our shooting time first. but if that how it needs to be, then so be it, bc I like shoot
not being open on weekdays means the weekends will be more busy than it usually is

I liked when I could go first thing in the morning maybe a little earlier than 0800, walk in and get a table, shoot for an hour or 2, then be on my way to do what I need to do for the day
now can't make plans for the rest of the day until you get your appointment time, then you need to plan around your appointment time.  sucks
I'm pretty busy and don't have time to be waiting on standby for a whole day bc I want to shoot
but if that's how its going to be, then ok family, you guys be on standby bc I like shoot.  can't go to your son's soccer game bc we need to get our shooting time first. but if that how it needs to be, then so be it, bc I like shoot
not being open on weekdays means the weekends will be more busy than it usually is

I don't see how the new system is worse.  If there was a waiting list when you arrived, you'd still have to either be there when a bench opened up -- meaning an indefinite wait -- or leave if you had plans for later.  The benefit is you'll now know how long the wait will be, and the people ahead of you can't linger for the whole morning taking up a bench.

If you ever did any work on simulations of queues, there's a method to figuring out how long each person must wait, how many you can serve in a given period, and how to optimize the number of queues so people aren't waiting more than is necessary.  Limiting the time per person to tie up a bench is a great way to avoid long waits.

I see the limited number of days available as the weakest part of this scheme.  But, if clubs are unable to occupy half the range for their events, that frees up space to serve the weekday visitors who now show up on the weekend.

Seems like they did put some logical thought into the process to optimize the limited time the range will be open.  Something tells me this is temporary until the rest of the repairs and upgrades are complete.

I’m on the fence about the sign-up system… plan sounds ok based on the points Flapp and others have raised, but we’ll see how it works out in execution.

Not happy about no weekday public shooting.  Was always less busy when I went on weekdays (which wasn’t super often).  I thought the point of the closure/remediation was for safety… how does closing on weekdays make it more safe?  Did they really lay off all the part-time employees?  If so, sounds like a cost-cutting measure, not safety.

Much more concerned about the action bays (where I do the vast majority of my shooting… or at least I used to) and what kind of rules they’ll have.  No eating/drinking is a non-starter; for a USPSA match, it’s normal for club officers to be out there from as soon as the gates open to 3:00 in the afternoon or later…  you’re going to tell me they can’t eat or drink the whole day?  Doesn’t seem “safe…”

I’m on the fence about the sign-up system… plan sounds ok based on the points Flapp and others have raised, but we’ll see how it works out in execution.

Not happy about no weekday public shooting.  Was always less busy when I went on weekdays (which wasn’t super often).  I thought the point of the closure/remediation was for safety… how does closing on weekdays make it more safe?  Did they really lay off all the part-time employees?  If so, sounds like a cost-cutting measure, not safety.

Much more concerned about the action bays (where I do the vast majority of my shooting… or at least I used to) and what kind of rules they’ll have.  No eating/drinking is a non-starter; for a USPSA match, it’s normal for club officers to be out there from as soon as the gates open to 3:00 in the afternoon or later…  you’re going to tell me they can’t eat or drink the whole day?  Doesn’t seem “safe…”

Reduces the number of hours of exposure long term.

The body can eliminate a certain amount of heavy metals, but too much results in heavy metal poisoning which can cause lifelong chronic health problems (liver disease, kidney disease, loss of brain function, ...) or even be fatal if not caught in time.

The body needs a certain amount of some metals like Zinc and Iron.  Getting too little of those are also a health concern.

Acute poisoning is when you get a very large dose all at once.  That's deemed a medical emergency.

Chronic poisoning. You get this after contact with a low dose over a long time.
As the metal builds up in your body, you can get sick. Symptoms come on slowly and can include:

Headache
Weakness and tiredness
Achy joints and muscles
Constipation

Drinking water with lead in it can lead to cognitive problems and slower development in kids.
Infants who drink formula mixed with tap water are at especially high risk if their drinking water
is contaminated.

Lead has been banned from plumbing for years, but it still gets into the water supply from old
lines. Some water filters will remove it from your water, but if you’re concerned about the level
of lead in your drinking supply, you can request a water test.

https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/what-is-heavy-metal-poisoning

Used to run pretty good. Early birds get there with their coffee. Kapu bench. Shoot couple hours. Guys who waited but knew they would probably wait due to arrival time shoot next. Clears out little bit at lunch and 12-12:30 crew shows up. Later 2:00 to closing crew shows up.

Now, no weekdays though. We’re gonna get more of the 2 shots per rotation guys on the weekend. I don’t mind the time limit. Should be two hours = 4 rotations.
At one point weren’t we doing online sign-ups during the pandemic.
(Note: theory: anti-gunners would book all the slots)

And NO Silhouette !?   

Just because the range is changing doesn't mean it's meant to curtail our rights.  I've lived where there were no free gun ranges -- only commercial or private property where you had to be invited by the owners.  Every nearby commercial range charged per hour, and memberships made it more affordable (not to be confused with the X-Ring membership scheme).

We're lucky to have a public range that doesn't require us to pay fees (other than taxes).  It appears the C&C are actively trying to come up with a remedy for the health and safety issues.  Over time, if what they implemented isn't working as it should, we/they can address it then.  Remember, we have people who know little to nothing deciding on firearm and range issues.  That's why they hired outside experts.  That's better than them listening to someone like Knudsen telling them to shut it down.

COVID created a stressful environment to have to deal with these types of problems.  So many emergencies to manage.  We're lucky the COVID emergency was lifted and the C&C can focus on other pressing issues like the range.

Personally, I think a lot of this should have been taken care of during the last closure, but that can was kicked down the road.  JMHO.

If I cant walk in at 0730 and get a bench, its worse
I guarantee that will be how it will be

If I cant walk in at 0730 and get a bench, its worse
I guarantee that will be how it will be

When it reopens, I will post again
Be ready for the "I told you so"
      

People complaining about range operation hrs here is the solution.

Fill out app to work at Kokohead Shooting complex.

The issue is that RSOs are hired as PT which means under 20hrs worked a week.
With that the city does not have to cover medical.
So more workers more hrs ie weekdays and holidays.



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I already work overtime every day
So, I'm not working there. I want to shoot not work
I can criticize government work bc they work for US