Kokohead shooting complex (Read 80218 times)

QUIETShooter

Re: Kokohead shooting complex
« Reply #200 on: April 04, 2023, 08:33:44 AM »
So there will be rules saying "No eating or drinking?"  This can't be right.

Whatever happened to the wash stations that were advised to be added?

As long as there are provisions to reduce the toxins of lead, then the safety aspect has been met.  Gee, we don't have to hold adult hands in every aspect of life, do we? :rofl:

I mean, they fixed the roof and landscaped the area.  Painted here and there.  That's nice but were those the issues the range was closed in the first place?  I don't believe they were.  So they brought tons of dirt to fix the berms and demolished the wall. 

Put up some wash stations.  Hire back the RSO's, tell Knudson to shut the f**k up and open the damn range.

Weekdays too.  I still think weekends, even with the planned sign up feature, will be a clusterf**k.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

mrgaf

Re: Kokohead shooting complex
« Reply #201 on: April 04, 2023, 07:07:15 PM »
I don’t see me shooting at KHSC anymore. Tired of the BS and don’t see the skeet and trap side opening up again. Both of those ranges will have to incur the cost of cleaning up the lead, plastic and clay residue which is very expensive, they just don’t have the funds. Only way I can see them coming back up is if they combine both clubs, install overlays and just clean up the side they are going to use. I intend to shoot trap at Schofield. KHSC  is gonna be a cluster fuck for quite some time. I’m done! ^-^
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zippz

Re: Kokohead shooting complex
« Reply #202 on: April 09, 2023, 05:41:14 PM »
I read the Kramer One KHSC recommendations paper, the range consultant company the city is using.  It's well written and thought out and uses the NRA Range sourcebook, environmental and OSHA regulations, and standard industry practices.  I can understand and agree with most of the recommendations.

Things to note:
1.  It states no bullets or fragments were found on the roof of the range, indicating the odds of fragments or riccochets reaching the firing line is unlikely.
2.  Report notes that bullet deflection can occur by by bullets striking the ground at the rifle 50yd line and a intermediate berm needs to be built or range regraded to ensure rounds impact the backstop.  Same is true for the metallic silhouette range. Silhouette range should be closed until improvements are made.
3.  The pistol side lanes 1-3 should be closed due as the backstop runs short of the rock wall.  Needs to  be fixed.
4.  Rifle backstop should  be 20ft high.  Currently they fixed it up but it looks well short of this height.  This could be fixed in the future, but I think the range would have to be closed for a while again.
5.  Falling steel plates (like pepper poppers) should be prohibited from the action bays until ballistic calculations are made to ensure bullets can't escape the south wall.  Issue is multiple shots when the plate is falling, bullets can be deflected up.  Prohibit the use of bowling pins.
6.  Shotgun ranges should be converted to lead-free ammo as it's not feasible to pickup lead from the rock wall.  Range should also be closed until ballistic calculations can be made to ensure shot doesn't fall onto cars on the highway above. 
7.  Tires and other objects need to be removed from the shooting bays.
8.  Lead buildup in the backstop does not appear to be a riccochet hazard at this time in the bays and pistol/rifle ranges.
9.  Hanging steel plates are not a problem on the rifle range, but the city proposed policy would ban them.  I'm not sure why.
10.  Report does not mention food or drinks, but city would ban consumption on the range.  I would disagree and allow drinks as heat injuries could occur.
11.  Lead poisoning should not be an issue at the outdoor range, but precautions and proper cleaning need to be in place  Fabric furniture should be removed from the range.
12.  Range exceeds OSHA/NIOSH standards so employees should use double hearing protection.
13.  Handwashing stations should be provided at each range.
14.  Lead migration in the environment isn't a problem.

changemyoil66

Re: Kokohead shooting complex
« Reply #203 on: April 09, 2023, 06:04:37 PM »
So KHSC gets more boring.

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Sodie

Re: Kokohead shooting complex
« Reply #204 on: April 09, 2023, 07:36:47 PM »
No falling steel on the action bays is a buzzkill…  :(

powder monkey

Re: Kokohead shooting complex
« Reply #205 on: April 10, 2023, 12:50:05 PM »
Wash station will be portable.

No RSOs were laid off.

spicynoodle_1

Re: Kokohead shooting complex
« Reply #206 on: April 10, 2023, 04:26:02 PM »
Banning hanging steel is a bummer… Sometime you wanna shoot at reactive targets…

Sodie

Re: Kokohead shooting complex
« Reply #207 on: April 10, 2023, 04:30:28 PM »
Wash station will be portable.

No RSOs were laid off.

Since no RSOs were laid off, have they provided any reasoning for the reduced operating schedule?

stangzilla

Re: Kokohead shooting complex
« Reply #208 on: April 10, 2023, 05:32:19 PM »
ban steel targets at rifle range is stupid

ren

Re: Kokohead shooting complex
« Reply #209 on: April 10, 2023, 05:44:25 PM »
ban steel targets at rifle range is stupid

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hvybarrels

Re: Kokohead shooting complex
« Reply #210 on: April 10, 2023, 06:48:11 PM »
Cutting back the schedule is stupid, especially when so many people are waiting to shoot. Looks like I'll be putting more time in on the air rifle at home until the initial flood settles down.
I’m becoming clinically undepressed and thinking about beginning it all.

QUIETShooter

Re: Kokohead shooting complex
« Reply #211 on: April 10, 2023, 06:58:10 PM »
ban steel targets at rifle range is stupid

Everything about the opening of the range is stupid.  But on par with how Hawaii does things.  And yeah, if they neva lay off the RSO's, I fail to see why they don't resume the regular schedule.

Their message is clear:  WE HOLD THE HAMMER.  NOT YOU.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

dogman

Re: Kokohead shooting complex
« Reply #212 on: April 12, 2023, 08:29:30 PM »
I was told there may be some updates and discussion about Koko Head Shooting Complex, among other things, at Mayor Rick Blangiardi's Town Hall Meeting, tomorrow, April 13, 6:30 pm, Kalani High School. I guess it's the nearest Mayor's Town Hall Meeting to Koko Head?

powder monkey

Re: Kokohead shooting complex
« Reply #213 on: April 13, 2023, 03:56:28 PM »
Mayor will announce range opening date and new rules.

aieahound

Re: Kokohead shooting complex
« Reply #214 on: April 13, 2023, 06:26:13 PM »
No hanging/swinging steel is not just stupid.
It’s counterintuitive and makes no sense.
Why would you want shooters shooting at targets that drive the bullet downward (or is it the head?)
If they frag there’s no energy left past a few yards.

“ No. We’re not letting you enjoy those safe targets that are fun to shoot at and a great way to introduce kids to shooting. “

At 100 yards in that wind, most kids won’t enjoy shooting paper.
But if they saw the target swing (and if Rocky’s there) heard the ring. That’s what most of my kids and nephews enjoyed.
Only 1 kid stuck with it though.
Glad I got a .17hmr. Thing can same hole at 50. Fawkin’ wild Wild West at 100 in that wind. Not only read the wind but guess the gust.
It’ll be like surfing. Forecast for light variable wind 5-10  mph.  Yeah, glassy. Yeah range. Range packed like line up.

That no steel thing SUCKS !
(On top of all the other shit)

zippz

Re: Kokohead shooting complex
« Reply #215 on: April 13, 2023, 07:16:12 PM »
KHSC pistol and rifle ranges will be open on April 29th.

Metallic silhouette bay will remain closed until improvements are made.

Action bays will reopen once HPD makes some sort of improvements on it.  Find out more tomorrow.

Trap and skeet will remain closed.

City is pushing out a press release tomorrow.
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aieahound

Re: Kokohead shooting complex
« Reply #216 on: April 13, 2023, 08:58:36 PM »
Thanks for the report Zippz.

macsak

Re: Kokohead shooting complex
« Reply #217 on: April 13, 2023, 09:53:20 PM »
KHSC pistol and rifle ranges will be open on April 29th.

Metallic silhouette bay will remain closed until improvements are made.

Action bays will reopen once HPD makes some sort of improvements on it.  Find out more tomorrow.

Trap and skeet will remain closed.

City is pushing out a press release tomorrow.

ooops
sorry
just saw this
i made a separate post so it gets more visibility...

dirsh

Re: Kokohead shooting complex
« Reply #218 on: April 15, 2023, 11:51:27 AM »
Wait… no steel targets anymore? That’s all I shoot!
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ren

Re: Kokohead shooting complex
« Reply #219 on: April 15, 2023, 12:05:06 PM »
Wait… no steel targets anymore? That’s all I shoot!

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