Semi-Autos Not Covered Under the 2nd Amendment? LOL!! (Read 1814 times)

Flapp_Jackson

Semi-Autos Not Covered Under the 2nd Amendment? LOL!!
« on: January 29, 2023, 12:22:03 PM »
Semi-Autos Not Covered Under the 2nd Amendment? LOL!!

This is an important video. 

It illustrates how dishonest and full of crap the anti-gun government lawyers and
officials are when they try to justify their unconstitutional laws.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

groveler

Re: Semi-Autos Not Covered Under the 2nd Amendment? LOL!!
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2023, 07:15:37 PM »
Semi-Autos Not Covered Under the 2nd Amendment? LOL!!

This is an important video. 

It illustrates how dishonest and full of crap the anti-gun government lawyers and
officials are when they try to justify their unconstitutional laws.


Preaching to choir here.
Our problem is dealing with the idiots, that
don't have a clue.
And these idiots use our taxes to employ cops and a
justice system to put us on trains.

I'm not getting on that train.
 :grrr:


robtmc

Re: Semi-Autos Not Covered Under the 2nd Amendment? LOL!!
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2023, 07:36:54 PM »
Well, the 2A does not even specifically mention firearms when declaring our right to bear arms.

Could have been inferring swords or pocketknives?

That easy to twist clear intent around.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Semi-Autos Not Covered Under the 2nd Amendment? LOL!!
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2023, 08:22:52 PM »
Well, the 2A does not even specifically mention firearms when declaring our right to bear arms.

Could have been inferring swords or pocketknives?

That easy to twist clear intent around.

SCOTUS, District of Columbia v. Heller, already put that definition in writing:
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The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm
unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful
purposes, such as self-defense within the home.

The founders used the word "arms" because they understood that (a) not everyone can afford to acquire and feed a firearm, and (b) at that time, there existed many arms which were more accurate and effective than a firearm in the hands of someone more experienced with them, such as swords, knives, bow & arrow, and so on.  To name a specific arm would have implied the amendment excludes all other arms, so they opted for a more generic term.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

groveler

Re: Semi-Autos Not Covered Under the 2nd Amendment? LOL!!
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2023, 09:27:13 PM »
SCOTUS, District of Columbia v. Heller, already put that definition in writing:
The founders used the word "arms" because they understood that (a) not everyone can afford to acquire and feed a firearm, and (b) at that time, there existed many arms which were more accurate and effective than a firearm in the hands of someone more experienced with them, such as swords, knives, bow & arrow, and so on.  To name a specific arm would have implied the amendment excludes all other arms, so they opted for a more generic term.
My understanding is the private citizens should have the
same arms as the military per the 2A as when this right was agreed to.
No limits.
If you can afford an F15 then you should be be able to buy, arm, and operate one
if you so choose.
I should be able to buy a stinger to shoot you down.

This is all about government control which is insidious.

I have a cannon in my front yard does that scare you?
I haven't killed any of my neighbors with it, it is simply aimed at the gate  government agents
will use to trespass on my property.
Who is afraid of that?
Just the government, everybody else is merely curious.
I'm not a threat and they know it.
Government thinks we are all threats.
What is that saying about having a hammer, everything looks like a nail?
There should be be some limitations, like mental ill people, Democrats,
felons, and non-citizens from bearing arms, but other than that,
it should be Constitutional carry as a citizen sees fit.
regardless of the weapon.
 :thumbsup:






Flapp_Jackson

Re: Semi-Autos Not Covered Under the 2nd Amendment? LOL!!
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2023, 11:07:16 PM »
[snip]

This is all about government control which is insidious.

I have a cannon in my front yard does that scare you?
I haven't killed any of my neighbors with it, it is simply aimed at the gate  government agents
will use to trespass on my property.
Who is afraid of that?
Just the government, everybody else is merely curious.
I'm not a threat and they know it.
Government thinks we are all threats.
What is that saying about having a hammer, everything looks like a nail?
There should be be some limitations, like mental ill people, Democrats,
felons, and non-citizens from bearing arms, but other than that,
it should be Constitutional carry as a citizen sees fit.
regardless of the weapon.
 :thumbsup:

In my opinion, it's not about them fearing the people rising up with arms against them.  They have said time and again since they have control of the military and more effective weapons than the public.  Their feeling is that we are not threats -- other than the rogue madman who goes after an individual or group in public specifically.

They manufacture fear and division by pretending anyone with 3 guns and more than 100 rounds of ammo is a future mass shooter or workplace murderer who's one step from "going postal" for the sole purpose of ginning up support for gun control in order to raise campaign contributions.


Cannons are often mentioned by anti-gunners as an example of what you can't own.  There's no law against it, but there are usually local laws pertaining to where and how it can be used. 

What they miss is the fact that a pre-20th century cannon is not classified as a firearm -- so their argument is wrong on its face.  However, if it has a bore diameter of .50 inches or greater and has no sporting purpose, it falls under the NFA as a destructive device and requires the $200 tax stamp and NFA application (it's considered artillery).  In addition, any projectile with a explosive charge (not including the propellant) must also be registered as a destructive device with stamp.

From the ATF website:
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Muzzleloading cannons manufactured in or before 1898 (and replicas thereof) that
are not capable of firing fixed ammunition are considered antiques and not subject
to the provisions of either the Gun Control Act (GCA) or National Firearms Act (NFA).

[26 U.S.C. 5845; 27 CFR 479.11]
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/are-muzzleloading-cannons-considered-destructive-devices

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Destructive Device
26 U.S.C. § 5845(F)

For the purposes of the National Firearms Act, the term “Destructive Device” means:

- A missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than 1/4 oz.
 
- Any type of weapon by whatever name known which will, or which may readily be
converted to expel a projectile, by the action of an explosive or other propellant, the
barrel or barrels of which have a bore greater than one-half inch in diameter.
 
- A combination of parts designed and intended for use in converting a device into a
destructive device and from which a destructive device can be readily assembled.
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/firearms-guides-importation-verification-firearms-national-firearms-act-definitions-1

THE MORE YOU KNOW
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

groveler

Re: Semi-Autos Not Covered Under the 2nd Amendment? LOL!!
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2023, 11:28:03 PM »
In my opinion, it's not about them fearing the people rising up with arms against them.  They have said time and again since they have control of the military and more effective weapons than the public.  Their feeling is that we are not threats -- other than the rogue madman who goes after an individual or group in public specifically.

They manufacture fear and division by pretending anyone with 3 guns and more than 100 rounds of ammo is a future mass shooter or workplace murderer who's one step from "going postal" for the sole purpose of ginning up support for gun control in order to raise campaign contributions.


Cannons are often mentioned by anti-gunners as an example of what you can't own.  There's no law against it, but there are usually local laws pertaining to where and how it can be used. 

What they miss is the fact that a pre-20th century cannon is not classified as a firearm -- so their argument is wrong on its face.  However, if it has a bore diameter of .50 inches or greater and has no sporting purpose, it falls under the NFA as a destructive device and requires the $200 tax stamp and NFA application (it's considered artillery).  In addition, any projectile with a explosive charge (not including the propellant) must also be registered as a destructive device with stamp.

From the ATF website:https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/are-muzzleloading-cannons-considered-destructive-devices
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/firearms-guides-importation-verification-firearms-national-firearms-act-definitions-1

THE MORE YOU KNOW
Parrot rifle replica and quite legal in Hawaii and Federally.
Shoots Chevy oil filters pretty good.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Semi-Autos Not Covered Under the 2nd Amendment? LOL!!
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2023, 01:24:39 AM »
Parrot rifle replica and quite legal in Hawaii and Federally.
Shoots Chevy oil filters pretty good.

 :wtf:

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

At least the filters are an American brand!   :thumbsup:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Semi-Autos Not Covered Under the 2nd Amendment? LOL!!
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2023, 01:31:26 AM »
Had to look that up.   :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

2.9″ Parrott Rifle – 10 Pounder – Full Scale
$4,963.00


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The Parrott Rifle  was a type of muzzle-loading rifled artillery weapon
used extensively in the American Civil War. The gun was invented by
Captain Robert Parker Parrott, a West Point graduate. He resigned from
the service in 1836 and became the superintendent of the West Point
Foundry in Cold Spring, New York.

He created the first Parrott Rifle (and corresponding projectile) in 1860
and patented it in 1861.
https://hernironworks.com/product/29parrotrifle10lbsfs/

I'm guessing you won't be bothered much during the impending apocalypse.  Plenty of inoperable cars and auto parts places where you'll be able to scavenge "ammo".   :geekdanc: :shaka:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Semi-Autos Not Covered Under the 2nd Amendment? LOL!!
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2023, 08:54:26 AM »
Parrot rifle replica and quite legal in Hawaii and Federally.
Shoots Chevy oil filters pretty good.

LMK when you buy 1. BBQ your place.

groveler

Re: Semi-Autos Not Covered Under the 2nd Amendment? LOL!!
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2023, 10:19:13 AM »
Had to look that up.   :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

2.9″ Parrott Rifle – 10 Pounder – Full Scale
$4,963.00

https://hernironworks.com/product/29parrotrifle10lbsfs/

I'm guessing you won't be bothered much during the impending apocalypse.  Plenty of inoperable cars and auto parts places where you'll be able to scavenge "ammo".   :geekdanc: :shaka:
Barrel is correct, my dad built it,  but used a navy not army style carriage.
He was in the navy.
Scares the hell out of everything when I fire it with a very small charge.
Can't imagine what fighting a war with one was like.
I have animals as do my neighbors so I don't shoot it much theses days
I hate chasing down cattle, horses, or donkeys.
 :shaka: