Hey guys, if I want to ship my gun to a custom shop outside of Hawaii and get some work done to it.

1. Do you not recommend in doing this?
2. Have you had good experience?
3. Which shipping did you use?

Also for having magazine shipped in that are pistol are we allowed this, and have it converted to 10round?


:Thank you 

Hey guys, if I want to ship my gun to a custom shop outside of Hawaii and get some work done to it.

1. Do you not recommend in doing this?
2. Have you had good experience?
3. Which shipping did you use?

Also for having magazine shipped in that are pistol are we allowed this, and have it converted to 10round?


:Thank you 

Factory magazines need to either be 10rd capacity or less OR mailed to an FFL.  Possession of >10rd pistol mags is a crime unless you're authorized by law.  If these are included with a pistol you are buying, see if the seller will swap them with 10rd mags or smaller. Some will.

Depending on the price of new mags for that gun, sometimes it's cheaper to forfeit the mags (have the gun seller remove them) and you order HI-legal factory mags.  Having an FFL block the mags will cost about $20 each according to previous posts.  Do the math.   

As for custom work, pistols are more restricted when shipped by a nonFFL.  Contact the gunsmith/FFL you will be shipping to and ask them for the shipping instructions.  You probably need a signed copy of their FFL Certificate anyway.

Factory magazines need to either be 10rd capacity or less OR mailed to an FFL.  Possession of >10rd pistol mags is a crime unless you're authorized by law.  If these are included with a pistol you are buying, see if the seller will swap them with 10rd mags or smaller. Some will.

Depending on the price of new mags for that gun, sometimes it's cheaper to forfeit the mags (have the gun seller remove them) and you order HI-legal factory mags.  Having an FFL block the mags will cost about $20 each according to previous posts.  Do the math.   

As for custom work, pistols are more restricted when shipped by a nonFFL.  Contact the gunsmith/FFL you will be shipping to and ask them for the shipping instructions.  You probably need a signed copy of their FFL Certificate anyway.

What if the mags are disassembled before shipping and taken to have them reduced to 10 round? This isn't a big deal, was just curious on how that worked.

So it's best to have a trusted FFL ship out your gun? I want to ship my pistol to Monsoon tactical or Vulcan machine werks but I am stiff very iffy on shipping out my pistol.


Thanks again

What if the mags are disassembled before shipping and taken to have them reduced to 10 round? This isn't a big deal, was just curious on how that worked.

So it's best to have a trusted FFL ship out your gun? I want to ship my pistol to Monsoon tactical or Vulcan machine werks but I am stiff very iffy on shipping out my pistol.


Thanks again

Magazine parts don't hold any rounds.  As long as it was received as a "parts kit" and not an assembled magazine. there shouldn't be a problem.

Those of us who travel to free states that allow standard mags often have a few parts kits that get reassembled upon arrival for concealed carry.  The kits are then disassembled before they come back home.

We of course also own other mags that comply with HI law for use in our state of residence.

So if you can get the sender to do the necessary disassembly, you'll have the option to keep it that way until traveling, or you can take it to be permanently blocked.

Another factor when deciding to block versus buy compliant factory mags is that blocked mags are usually not readily capable of being disassembled.  So, cleaning, maintenance and replacement of springs and followers would be pretty much impossible if the end plates are permanently bonded.  Something to consider.

What if the mags are disassembled before shipping and taken to have them reduced to 10 round? This isn't a big deal, was just curious on how that worked.

So it's best to have a trusted FFL ship out your gun? I want to ship my pistol to Monsoon tactical or Vulcan machine werks but I am stiff very iffy on shipping out my pistol.


Thanks again

According to the ATF, you can ship a pistol to an FFL using a commercial carrier (NOT USPS).  So, FedEx, UPS, etc.

However, the commercial shipping companies' rules have been tightening at FedEx and UPS for shipping firearms.  Their websites say they will only ship firearms for customers who have an FFL.  This was in response to a bunch of Dim US Congress-critters sending out a letter to dozens of shipping companies telling them they are responsible for many of the "ghost gun" murders by allowing guns to be shipped without involving an FFL.

Therefore, getting a commercial carrier to actually follow the law and not some woke-ass nonsensical letters on US Congress and US Senate letterhead can be difficult.

That's why I recommend talking to the receiving FFL.  They may know the secret handshake, like sending you a label from FedEx making them the shipper and not you.  I also remember seeing a letter from UPS in the news saying they haven't changed their policy, but that's not what the policy on their website says about firearms.

If you don't mind paying a local FFL to take care of the shipping for you, that's your choice.  Otherwise, see if the people modding your pistol can help you.

I haven't shipped a pistol since this insanity bubbled up from the Swamp.  It was super simple before.

Good luck.

According to the ATF, you can ship a pistol to an FFL using a commercial carrier (NOT USPS).  So, FedEx, UPS, etc.

However, the commercial shipping companies' rules have been tightening at FedEx and UPS for shipping firearms.  Their websites say they will only ship firearms for customers who have an FFL.  This was in response to a bunch of Dim US Congress-critters sending out a letter to dozens of shipping companies telling them they are responsible for many of the "ghost gun" murders by allowing guns to be shipped without involving an FFL.

Therefore, getting a commercial carrier to actually follow the law and not some woke-ass nonsensical letters on US Congress and US Senate letterhead can be difficult.

That's why I recommend talking to the receiving FFL.  They may know the secret handshake, like sending you a label from FedEx making them the shipper and not you.  I also remember seeing a letter from UPS in the news saying they haven't changed their policy, but that's not what the policy on their website says about firearms.

If you don't mind paying a local FFL to take care of the shipping for you, that's your choice.  Otherwise, see if the people modding your pistol can help you.

I haven't shipped a pistol since this insanity bubbled up from the Swamp.  It was super simple before.

Good luck.

Really appreciate all your help, one last question as far as the FFL shipping back my pistol can they directly ship it to me as I am the registered owner or would a FFL be needed?


Thank you

Really appreciate all your help, one last question as far as the FFL shipping back my pistol can they directly ship it to me as I am the registered owner or would a FFL be needed?


Thank you

Since there's no ownership transfer taking place, the FFL doing the work can ship directly to you.  It'll be shipped with service options that require an adult signature upon delivery.

Once you decide on who you want to do the work, that company ought to be able to answer most of these questions for you.  They might have a policy to only ship back to the original sender's address -- to cover their butts.  it's a good thing to ask them.

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Although the issue with these is I believe they need to be epoxied to the bottom plate of the magazine so it can't be removed. If that is the case, then the mag can't be disassembled for cleaning.

If u ship the mag dissasembled, you need to make sure the sender ships it back the same way.  Because if not and you open the box, now you have a pistol mag greater than 10rds (illegal).  And if its shipped and the mag is inserted into the handgun and you open the box, now it's inserted into the pistol, which is now a felony instead of a misdemeanor.

Since there's no ownership transfer taking place, the FFL doing the work can ship directly to you.  It'll be shipped with service options that require an adult signature upon delivery.

Once you decide on who you want to do the work, that company ought to be able to answer most of these questions for you.  They might have a policy to only ship back to the original sender's address -- to cover their butts.  it's a good thing to ask them.

This is incorrect according to my FFL. I just sent a shotgun to the manufacturer for a malfunction, That was ok to do. Return shipping was through my FFL. This is following HI law. It sucks, but they are not supposed to send it directly to you, even though you own it and its registered. My guy didn't charge me so I guess no harm no foul, but it makes me not want to use outside resources for gunsmithing.

Direct shipping of firearm between owner and manufacturer is legal, but have to be through FedEx or UPS. Or at least it was legal and I did it maybe about a few months ago with rifle barreled action, and I’ve done it a couple times prior. Maybe the law changed.

I’ve had friends tell me that the manufacturer’s policy was only to shop back to FFL. Sig was one of them.

This is incorrect according to my FFL. I just sent a shotgun to the manufacturer for a malfunction, That was ok to do. Return shipping was through my FFL. This is following HI law. It sucks, but they are not supposed to send it directly to you, even though you own it and its registered. My guy didn't charge me so I guess no harm no foul, but it makes me not want to use outside resources for gunsmithing.

Can you cite the HI statute that says that? 

I know the ghost gun BS caused UPS and FedEx to change their policies about what a non-FFL is permitted to ship, but I don't see that in the statutes.  An FFL is allowed by federal law to return your firearm to you.  If HI added a more restrictive law to prevent that, I haven't seen it.

Direct shipping of firearm between owner and manufacturer is legal, but have to be through FedEx or UPS. Or at least it was legal and I did it maybe about a few months ago with rifle barreled action, and I’ve done it a couple times prior. Maybe the law changed.

I’ve had friends tell me that the manufacturer’s policy was only to shop back to FFL. Sig was one of them.

Sig shipped my P320 direct to me after the voluntary upgrade to replace the trigger after reports of drop-firing.

They provided me a label to have it shipped via FedEx, and FedEx returned it TO MY HOME.

An adult needs to sign for it.

Can you cite the HI statute that says that? 

I know the ghost gun BS caused UPS and FedEx to change their policies about what a non-FFL is permitted to ship, but I don't see that in the statutes.  An FFL is allowed by federal law to return your firearm to you.  If HI added a more restrictive law to prevent that, I haven't seen it.

Maybe he's talking about lending a firearm to out of state for up to 75 days?  IDK if having a FFL is excluded for this law.

There's a bill right now that wants to change it to 12hours.

Maybe he's talking about lending a firearm to out of state for up to 75 days?  IDK if having a FFL is excluded for this law.

There's a bill right now that wants to change it to 12hours.

I think you're complicating the original post.

I'd let him answer.  I could have guessed without any help!      

Sig shipped my P320 direct to me after the voluntary upgrade to replace the trigger after reports of drop-firing.

They provided me a label to have it shipped via FedEx, and FedEx returned it TO MY HOME.

An adult needs to sign for it.

Well, aren’t you speshul

 

Well, aren’t you speshul

 

i checked the Sig website, and they do have in their shipping policies now that they only ship to an FFL.

However, it doesn't specify if that includes all shipments other than new gun purchases, or if it excludes warranty returns or gunsmithing services.  I sent a note to Sig customer service asking if they've changed their procedures/policies since I had mine done.  The webpage indicated a 2-3 day response time.

i'll let ya'll know what they say.

Sig shipped my P320 direct to me after the voluntary upgrade to replace the trigger after reports of drop-firing.

They provided me a label to have it shipped via FedEx, and FedEx returned it TO MY HOME.

An adult needs to sign for it.

Same.

i checked the Sig website, and they do have in their shipping policies now that they only ship to an FFL.

However, it doesn't specify if that includes all shipments other than new gun purchases, or if it excludes warranty returns or gunsmithing services.  I sent a note to Sig customer service asking if they've changed their procedures/policies since I had mine done.  The webpage indicated a 2-3 day response time.

i'll let ya'll know what they say.

Thinking back, I think Sig sent him a replacement pistol, so since different serial number, Sig handled via FFL. 

Same.

Well, aren't you speshul too. . .