Per Grand Jury - There was no election fraud (Read 6168 times)

rhayder

Per Grand Jury - There was no election fraud
« on: February 16, 2023, 06:51:24 AM »
The grand jury heard “extensive testimony on the subject of alleged election fraud,” according to the report, but voted unanimously “that no widespread fraud took place in the Georgia 2020 presidential election that could result in overturning that election,” rejecting arguments made by Trump and his supporters.

hvybarrels

Re: Per Grand Jury - There was no election fraud
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2023, 07:11:26 AM »
The purpose of the grand jury was to collect false allegations against president Trump.

Apparently they succeeded but it's so flimsy they won't release the majority of the report.
Is an armadillo just a tactical opossum?

changemyoil66

Re: Per Grand Jury - There was no election fraud
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2023, 09:30:10 AM »
Still didn't read the ENTIRE election fraud thread.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Per Grand Jury - There was no election fraud
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2023, 09:38:02 AM »
The purpose of the grand jury was to collect false allegations against president Trump.

Apparently they succeeded but it's so flimsy they won't release the majority of the report.

And a Grand Jury is not a panel of experts in elections, electronic voting machines, or the law.  It's comprised of regular people who come complete with biases, media-fueled predispositions, and I'm sure some degree of TDS.

I thought G. Jury's purpose is to decide whether or not a crime was committed and whether there is sufficient evidence against a defendant to be indicted. Only then do both sides get to make their case in court.

Grand Juries decide nothing.  Either they see the state has sufficient evidence to proceed to court, or they don't.

Also, if the standard is set where there must be widespread fraud that could result in overturning that election, we'll never weed out the problems.  It's not about fraud per se as much as irregularities and illegalities that COULD have occurred.  Should not have to prove it DID occur.

It's no different than evaluating the violations of gifts given to government officials.  You don't have to prove the recipient did anything wrong as a result of a gift.  You only have to prove the gift is enough to create the possibility that the official was influenced -- i.e. there's a potential bad act if not a provable one.
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the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
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macsak

Re: Per Grand Jury - There was no election fraud
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2023, 09:51:24 AM »
marcia, marcia, marcia...

The grand jury heard “extensive testimony on the subject of alleged election fraud,” according to the report, but voted unanimously “that no widespread fraud took place in the Georgia 2020 presidential election that could result in overturning that election,” rejecting arguments made by Trump and his supporters.

groveler

Re: Per Grand Jury - There was no election fraud
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2023, 01:49:13 PM »
There is not a Democrat that would find for fraud. they have the morals of slugs.
Democrats did the "holocaust" and thought it was perfectly legal.
Under their laws it was.
Just because it is a law doesn't meant it must be obeyed.
 :wtf:

changemyoil66

Re: Per Grand Jury - There was no election fraud
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2023, 01:32:15 PM »
If the election fraud thread contains information from Fox News, they claim to be allowed to lie to the public because they are an entertainment company and not journalists.

Proves my point. Xhe has no idea what's in the thread.

changemyoil66

Re: Per Grand Jury - There was no election fraud
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2023, 01:33:02 PM »
The grand jury is not a Democrat. The conclusion that crimes were committed was unanimous.  Indictments will follow after the DA decides on which crimes to prosecute.

There's that phrase again "indictments will follow."  Still waiting for the other "indictments".

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Per Grand Jury - There was no election fraud
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2023, 01:34:39 PM »
If the election fraud thread contains information from Fox News, they claim to be allowed to lie to the public because they are an entertainment company and not journalists.

CNN is worse than FOX.

MSNBC is worse than CNN.

Truth doesn't belong to the MSM or any single network.  They all lie, just that FOX gets it right more often than the others.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Per Grand Jury - There was no election fraud
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2023, 01:41:29 PM »
Why is Fox news in full denial mode that they are a news organization?

That's a lie.

Show where they did that.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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changemyoil66

Re: Per Grand Jury - There was no election fraud
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2023, 04:17:40 PM »
My pronouns are He/Him and you have no idea what is in the thread.
Xhe will state what xhe has been told to make it seem xhe read it.

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changemyoil66

Re: Per Grand Jury - There was no election fraud
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2023, 04:21:52 PM »
That's a lie.

Show where they did that.
Xhe wont reply cause xhe wasnt told how to yet.

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eyeeatingfish

Re: Per Grand Jury - There was no election fraud
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2023, 09:55:03 PM »
The grand jury heard “extensive testimony on the subject of alleged election fraud,” according to the report, but voted unanimously “that no widespread fraud took place in the Georgia 2020 presidential election that could result in overturning that election,” rejecting arguments made by Trump and his supporters.

I don't know if you will heed my advice, but if you want to discuss this story in the face of a crowd that isn't likely jump on it you should change the way you discuss such stories.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Per Grand Jury - There was no election fraud
« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2023, 11:16:53 PM »
I don't know if you will heed my advice, but if you want to discuss this story in the face of a crowd that isn't likely jump on it you should change the way you discuss such stories.

You're trying to teach a pig how to sing ....
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Per Grand Jury - There was no election fraud
« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2023, 11:52:09 PM »
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/redacted-documents-in-dominion-fox-news-case/dca5e3880422426f/full.pdf

Still a lie.  You've not answered the question.

You've only shown us a link to a PDF.

Show us the statement in that document that says FOX News labeled their entire organization as entertainment and used that as justification for lying to the public..

Or in your words, "...they claim to be allowed to lie to the public because they are an entertainment company and not journalists."

I can tell you some things about that document, though. 

First, the word "entertainment" is contained within it 0 times.

Second, this document is not the court transcript.  it's the complaint filed with the clerk which only contains the statements collected from Dominion and their OPINION that FOX broadcasters knowingly lied.

Third, did you even read that PDF?  I asked for a source where FOX admitted they are entertainment and not journalists.  Instead, you post something that does not come close to answering that question.

Try again, Karen.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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groveler

Re: Per Grand Jury - There was no election fraud
« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2023, 02:02:14 AM »
The grand jury is not a Democrat. The conclusion that crimes were committed was unanimous.  Indictments will follow after the DA decides on which crimes to prosecute.
The way grand juries work they can indite a ham sandwhich for murder.

groveler

Re: Per Grand Jury - There was no election fraud
« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2023, 02:04:29 AM »
The right wing fascist Nazis and Nazis in the United States that still support or deny the Holocaust are members of the Republican party.
I think you are full of shit.
I'm not a Democrat or Republican, but you are a Democrat.
one of these  O0

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Per Grand Jury - There was no election fraud
« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2023, 07:18:00 AM »
Quote
McBurney limited the portions of the report that could be shared, stressing that the
grand jury process understandably does not include the same protections for
witnesses as a public trial.

“There were no lawyers advocating for any targets of the investigation,” McBurney
wrote in the eight-page decision, noting the process is “entirely appropriately — a
one-sided exploration.”

“Potential future defendants were not able to present evidence outside the scope
of what the district attorney asked them. They were not able to call their own witnesses
who might rebut what other State’s witnesses had said and they had no ability to
present mitigating evidence. Put differently, there was very limited due process in this
process for those who might be named as indictment-worthy in the final report,”
McBurney wrote.
https://ktla.com/hill-politics/georgia-grand-jury-in-trump-interference-probe-found-no-fraud-in-2020-election/

Apparently, this is not the typical Grand Jury.  They were  not asked to return indictments on anyone.  Instead, they listened to witnesses testimonies, and then they recommended charges against some secret number of witnesses they believe lied to them -- i.e. perjury charges.

So, the crime recommended be charged has nothing to do with "overthrow of an election."  The only issue is whether or not the people testifying lied about anything in front of the Grand Jury.

Talk about bootstrapping.

Sounds like the Grand Jury was set up as a perjury trap.  They can't indict anyone of breaking any laws, so they get everyone under oath and hope to trip them up during the examination.  This is the same thing the Dims tried doing to Trump during the bogus impeachments, but he refused to play their games and be placed under oath.

Losers.

 :geekdanc:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Per Grand Jury - There was no election fraud
« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2023, 10:10:16 AM »
Still a lie.  You've not answered the question.

You've only shown us a link to a PDF.

Show us the statement in that document that says FOX News labeled their entire organization as entertainment and used that as justification for lying to the public..

Or in your words, "...they claim to be allowed to lie to the public because they are an entertainment company and not journalists."

I can tell you some things about that document, though. 

First, the word "entertainment" is contained within it 0 times.

Second, this document is not the court transcript.  it's the complaint filed with the clerk which only contains the statements collected from Dominion and their OPINION that FOX broadcasters knowingly lied.

Third, did you even read that PDF?  I asked for a source where FOX admitted they are entertainment and not journalists.  Instead, you post something that does not come close to answering that question.

Try again, Karen.
Hahahhaa im glad u pointed out xis lack of reading. Xhe was told what to post and didnt bother reading past the title. Reminds me of someone...

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Basss Monkey

Re: Per Grand Jury - There was no election fraud
« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2023, 12:05:04 PM »
The grand jury heard “extensive testimony on the subject of alleged election fraud,” according to the report, but voted unanimously “that no widespread fraud took place in the Georgia 2020 presidential election that could result in overturning that election,” rejecting arguments made by Trump and his supporters.

I mean if the government wanted to show people that the election system is secured & trustworthy or wanted to move forward towards building back better,  they should have let the case move forward & let everything come out into the open.