Great training advice (Read 7646 times)

Kingkeoni

Your number one Option for Personal Security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.

Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.

bass monkey

Re: Great training advice
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2012, 06:26:03 PM »
Are there any firearms training classes here in hawaii?
I know the hdf does various shooting, but is there anything else?

Kingkeoni

Re: Great training advice
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2012, 06:55:14 PM »
Don't know but I'm going to Frontsight next month.
Your number one Option for Personal Security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.

Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.

Dboy

Re: Great training advice
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2012, 08:24:30 PM »
HRA has a fun shoot for members on the fourth Sunday in the month.  They do all different types of drills, one hand, support side, prone, barricades, movement drills, it varies.  And they do this from 7 yards plus.  Lots of fun!

Coconut-kid

Re: Great training advice
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2012, 08:10:21 AM »
Don't know but I'm going to Frontsight next month.

I was checking out their site. Are you taking the 2 or 4 day course?
Please post back on your thoughts.

Is Koa Services still around?  I had a buddy take a class and said it was alright. 

drck1000

Re: Great training advice
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2012, 08:25:47 AM »
I've taken a carbine course with Redback One on the mainland and while expensive, it was an excellent experience.  I will be taking a pistol and the next carbine course in their curriculum next year. 

I tried to get them to come to train in Hawaii, but range availability is the key issue.  I know of a private range on Kauai that may be suitable, but it probably won't be ready to host a carbine course for a while.  They are totally willing to make the trek to Hawaii from VA too, just no available venue.

I know a couple of guys who have been to Frontsight, but I haven't asked them about their experiences there though.  Let us know how it goes! 

flaboy808

Re: Great training advice
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2012, 10:47:44 AM »
Are there any firearms training classes here in hawaii?
I know the hdf does various shooting, but is there anything else?

I think Russel (the older one) who I see at Young Guns sometimes does classes.  Last I heard, he had a defensive shotgun class or something like that.  The class was at Magnum (can't remember their new name).  It was a Saturday and Sunday class.  The price was around 300ish(?) and you had to have your own shells.



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Cougar8045

Re: Great training advice
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2012, 11:58:12 AM »
[quote} I am amazed at how many students I have had who never realized that they might be involved in a physical fight that prevents them from accessing their firearm. They are amazed to find that they might have to deal with the fight first, before they can get to their gun. When talking about fitness and combatives, I often hear the answer “I’ll just shoot them” from students who have no skill with their personal striking weapons (hands, feet, etc) or are unfit. The problem is that getting to the gun in most of those situations is harder than they ever thought possible with an aggressive attacker striking their head. Have you ever tried to draw and shoot someone while they were punching you in the face?

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This thought occurred to me a while back.  Everyone knows that the Tueller Drill indicates that an armed opponent can close 21 feet and strike a lethal blow in roughly the same time it takes to deploy a handgun from a typical police officer's duty holster.  So we'll just keep everyone outside 21 feet, right?  Doubtful, unless you're ready to shoot the next sumbitch what left his watch at home and wants to know what time it is.  I think fitness and open-hand techniques are probably as important or more important than gunhandling skills.  When your mugger starts an attack from 15 feet, you can't draw in time, which means you're going to have to deal with him for at least a few seconds.  If you don't know the right empty-hand techniques to drive him away from you and create space to draw, all without letting him stab your eyeball, you're screwed.

Another worthwhile example: We probably wouldn't even know who George Zimmerman was if he'd invested time in training in a martial art.  If he had been taking lessons at a local Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu gym, the Travon Martin shooting would have been a simple fistfight.
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Funtimes

Re: Great training advice
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2012, 03:50:39 PM »
Over the next few months I will be taking a few class:

TAPS Taught by Pat Mcnamara through Grey Group training.
Handgun Employment 02 / Carbine Employment 02 by Chris Costa at Costa Ludus.

Then I will be spending 3 weeks at the Sig Academy doing Handgun Instructor, Active Shooter Response instructor, Low Level light seminar, and point vs. precision seminar, one-handed pistol, and the armorer course.
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Re: Great training advice
« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2012, 12:59:43 PM »
 :rofl: too bad Oahu does not offer any other sites to practice the art of ninja pistol craft!

Izanagi

Re: Great training advice
« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2012, 10:10:19 AM »
Over the next few months I will be taking a few class:

TAPS Taught by Pat Mcnamara through Grey Group training.
Handgun Employment 02 / Carbine Employment 02 by Chris Costa at Costa Ludus.

Then I will be spending 3 weeks at the Sig Academy doing Handgun Instructor, Active Shooter Response instructor, Low Level light seminar, and point vs. precision seminar, one-handed pistol, and the armorer course.

Teach us the Costa gun kata when you come back.  :geekdanc:

Bunker

Re: Great training advice
« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2012, 08:28:39 PM »
Excellent points!