do not do this. just say "yes sir" and do as you are told.

This is 1 reason why HI gun laws are they way they are.

This is 1 reason why HI gun laws are they way they are.

you are not going to change any laws at the permit window.

you are not going to change any laws at the permit window.

Change their mentality and force them to follow the laws.  If no one questions their errors, they will either 1) Continue to make the same mistakes or 2) Get away with knowingly making errors.

We have seen here that someone brought a lower of an AR and HPD asked where's the rest of it (the upper) cause they want to see that too. Then when said person was explaining the law, 3 officers came out from the back and surrounded him so they can discus the matter more.  THen HPD said "how do they know the barrel is 16in?". That's not their job to measure every barrel that comes to their window. In fact, shortly later, the officer measuring the barrel was doing it incorrectly anyways as they have a yard stick taped to the desk.

Then when said person was explaining the law, 3 officers came out from the back and surrounded him so they can discus the matter more.

exhibit A. bottom line, if the people working the firearms window "dont know the law", it will never ever be worth the effort to try and "teach" them the law.

Its not an internet forum. Very few people appear to have the ability to converse to other human beings properly.

I repeat, DO NOT ask a police officer to "show you the statute" also do not show them the statute. dont do any of that shit, it will not end well.

Dont go to other peoples place of work and tell them how to do their job. Its not a thing that works in the real world.

exhibit A. bottom line, if the people working the firearms window "dont know the law", it will never ever be worth the effort to try and "teach" them the law.

Its not an internet forum. Very few people appear to have the ability to converse to other human beings properly.

I repeat, DO NOT ask a police officer to "show you the statute" also do not show them the statute. dont do any of that shit, it will not end well.

Dont go to other peoples place of work and tell them how to do their job. Its not a thing that works in the real world.

Plenty of advice on what not to do.  But, what's your solution?

Nothing wrong with standing up for your legal rights. 

Talking to the desk workers may not change their process, but you can always ask for their supervisor.

And if you think "very few people appear to have the ability to converse to other human beings properly," I'd take a guess you are projecting or don't know many people.

When I go to Walmart, and someone rings up the wrong price, I'm not afraid of "telling them how to do their job" in their "place of work."

exhibit A. bottom line, if the people working the firearms window "dont know the law", it will never ever be worth the effort to try and "teach" them the law.

Its not an internet forum. Very few people appear to have the ability to converse to other human beings properly.

I repeat, DO NOT ask a police officer to "show you the statute" also do not show them the statute. dont do any of that shit, it will not end well.

Dont go to other peoples place of work and tell them how to do their job. Its not a thing that works in the real world.

Can you elaborate on “it will not end well”?  What exactly do you think they’ll do?

exhibit A. bottom line, if the people working the firearms window "dont know the law", it will never ever be worth the effort to try and "teach" them the law.

Its not an internet forum. Very few people appear to have the ability to converse to other human beings properly.

I repeat, DO NOT ask a police officer to "show you the statute" also do not show them the statute. dont do any of that shit, it will not end well.

Dont go to other peoples place of work and tell them how to do their job. Its not a thing that works in the real world.

Thanks to them not knowing the law, even after being shown it, hifico was formed.

This is the problem and the disconnect between the people and cops at the firearms division.

I personally was told pre bruen i couldnt even apply for a ccw as im not LEO. Luckily, another cop sitting at the desk corrected the cop at the window.

So like flapp asked, whats ur solution to correct a cop denying someone their right or not obeying the law? Should everyone wear a bodycam and submit the vid with their complaint?

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Thanks to them not knowing the law, even after being shown it, hifico was formed.

This is the problem and the disconnect between the people and cops at the firearms division.

I personally was told pre bruen i couldnt even apply for a ccw as im not LEO. Luckily, another cop sitting at the desk corrected the cop at the window.

So like flapp asked, whats ur solution to correct a cop denying someone their right or not obeying the law? Should everyone wear a bodycam and submit the vid with their complaint?

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There is a big difference between being the head of the spear and actively fighting for 2a and suggesting random people on the internet to do such things when they may not be prepared for the consequences, especially given the poor course of action suggested.

I am not offering any solutions to an age old problem. I am simply saying for BRU not to do a thing that was suggested.

If I were to give BRU advice on how to try and get the permit faster, it would be to comment something like "Thats wierd because my friend in honolulu who has a ccw does not have to wait, maybe the law is different in honolulu."

There is a big difference between being the head of the spear and actively fighting for 2a and suggesting random people on the internet to do such things when they may not be prepared for the consequences, especially given the poor course of action suggested.

I am not offering any solutions to an age old problem. I am simply saying for BRU not to do a thing that was suggested.

If I were to give BRU advice on how to try and get the permit faster, it would be to comment something like "Thats wierd because my friend in honolulu who has a ccw does not have to wait, maybe the law is different in honolulu."

What consequences do you foresee?  What do you really think the police are going to do?

There is a big difference between being the head of the spear and actively fighting for 2a and suggesting random people on the internet to do such things when they may not be prepared for the consequences, especially given the poor course of action suggested.

I am not offering any solutions to an age old problem. I am simply saying for BRU not to do a thing that was suggested.

If I were to give BRU advice on how to try and get the permit faster, it would be to comment something like "Thats wierd because my friend in honolulu who has a ccw does not have to wait, maybe the law is different in honolulu."

Showing them the law is the best way to show theyre wrong. Idk how else would be more effecient.

Guess an honest looking person would be more sufficient and belieable. But what if 1 doesnt look honest? Maybe bring a lie detector.

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People have to bring up the issue to the police, and elevate it if needed.  There's a fear that police will shoot or arrest them and that's a bit paranoid, assuming you didn't do something else wrong.

First you have to know the issue.  Read the laws and pass it by other people like we do here.  Don't take things at first glance, there's usually more to it.

Second go to the station and have paper copies of the references.  Explain it politely.  Be polite even if they're not.if they don't see the problem or agree, take it up higher to the Sergeant, Lieutenant, Captain/major of records section.  Write to the police Chief

Still no luck, go to the police commission.

Still no luck bring it up with a 2a friendly city council or state legislator.

It takes time and effort to do.  You may get yelled at but keep cool and continue on.

So this applies to long guns and pistols?

So this applies to long guns and pistols?

Yes. Permit to acquire issued on the spot.

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Yes. Permit to acquire issued on the spot.

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Thank you for the response changemyoil66 and for all the updates!