2023 Great Gun Show (Read 5127 times)

Onenuttkapolei

2023 Great Gun Show
« on: March 09, 2023, 06:03:00 PM »
The flyer says you can “trade” at the gun show.  Does that mean I can bring guns and offer them up for trade at the show without renting a table?

Flapp_Jackson

Re: 2023 Great Gun Show
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2023, 06:21:20 PM »
The flyer says you can “trade” at the gun show.  Does that mean I can bring guns and offer them up for trade at the show without renting a table?

If a vendor wants to trade for your property, no reason to think they would not be allowed.  As long as any permit requirements are satisfied, trades will normally be fine.

I wouldn't try setting up a trade with another random show attendee.  At least one of you ought to be a registered vendor with a table.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

oldfart

Re: 2023 Great Gun Show
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2023, 07:33:16 PM »
The flyer says you can “trade” at the gun show.  Does that mean I can bring guns and offer them up for trade at the show without renting a table?
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Lihikai

Re: 2023 Great Gun Show
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2023, 07:34:34 PM »
To cheaply sell a rifle:
1. Make a small sign with the gun price that's easy to read from 20' away
2. Tape the sign to the end of a chopstick
3. Put a sling on your rifle
4. When at the show, put the chopstick sign into the muzzle and sling the rifle over your shoulder
5. Walk around

Be sure to zip tie the rifle action.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: 2023 Great Gun Show
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2023, 08:37:47 PM »
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So, what's up with putting "TRADE" on the poster?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

zippz

Re: 2023 Great Gun Show
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2023, 11:50:30 PM »
So, what's up with putting "TRADE" on the poster?

You can trade with the vendors, just as you would buy, sell, or browse.  You can bring a firearm into the show, check it in at the front table, to see if vendors are interested in it.

zippz

Re: 2023 Great Gun Show
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2023, 11:52:31 PM »
You could also rent a table for about $50.  Very cheap for a tradeshow table.  Tables might still be available.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: 2023 Great Gun Show
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2023, 12:09:49 AM »
You can trade with the vendors, just as you would buy, sell, or browse.  You can bring a firearm into the show, check it in at the front table, to see if vendors are interested in it.

So, oldfart was Wrong?  Joking?  Sarcastic?  Mean?

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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

oldfart

Re: 2023 Great Gun Show
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2023, 01:20:09 AM »
To cheaply sell a rifle:
1. Make a small sign with the gun price that's easy to read from 20' away
2. Tape the sign to the end of a chopstick
3. Put a sling on your rifle
4. When at the show, put the chopstick sign into the muzzle and sling the rifle over your shoulder
5. Walk around

Be sure to zip tie the rifle action.
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1-I've seen people do this before. But if you think about it, unless you are a vendor/table holder, it would be a violation of the "place to keep" clause.
The gun show, per se, is not a place of business, gunsmith, shooting range or police station.
2-Show rules prohibit wearing of firearms at the show unless you are an HHAA re-enactor or security staff.

My recommendation is to display a photo or perhaps print out a page of photos and descriptions and pass them out to people who might be interested.
Include your contact information on your flyer. That would probably be a more effective method of advertising anyway.

The other possibility is to secure a table reservation. There may still be tables available, even though the deadline for reservations has long since passed.
It would be up to the show coordinator to allow a late reservation. However, holding a table comes with a whole different set of rules that you must agree to.
If you want to attempt a late reservation, you can try contacting the club. The number is on the flyer.

 


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changemyoil66

Re: 2023 Great Gun Show
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2023, 09:05:54 AM »
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1-I've seen people do this before. But if you think about it, unless you are a vendor/table holder, it would be a violation of the "place to keep" clause.
The gun show, per se, is not a place of business, gunsmith, shooting range or police station.
2-Show rules prohibit wearing of firearms at the show unless you are an HHAA re-enactor or security staff.

My recommendation is to display a photo or perhaps print out a page of photos and descriptions and pass them out to people who might be interested.
Include your contact information on your flyer. That would probably be a more effective method of advertising anyway.

The other possibility is to secure a table reservation. There may still be tables available, even though the deadline for reservations has long since passed.
It would be up to the show coordinator to allow a late reservation. However, holding a table comes with a whole different set of rules that you must agree to.
If you want to attempt a late reservation, you can try contacting the club. The number is on the flyer.

Places to keep also includes an organized firearm show or exhibit.

So legally, 1 could walk around with the rifle slung. But it is against the venues and host rules to do so.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: 2023 Great Gun Show
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2023, 11:40:27 AM »
Places to keep also includes an organized firearm show or exhibit.

So legally, 1 could walk around with the rifle slung. But it is against the venues and host rules to do so.

Yep.  here's the statute for places to keep an unloaded firearm:

https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol03_Ch0121-0200D/HRS0134/HRS_0134-0024.htm

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     (4)  An organized, scheduled firearms show or exhibit;

If OF were right, every vendor at the show with a firearm on display would be violating the "Places to Keep" rules.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

oldfart

Re: 2023 Great Gun Show
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2023, 05:18:27 PM »
I forgot to include the exhibit exception.
But show rules still don't allow you to walk around with your gun. There are rules on the website.
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jc2721

Re: 2023 Great Gun Show
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2023, 05:57:32 PM »
I have been going to the Gun Show for 40+ years now; I have bought exactly ONE rifle from a guy with a sign on his slung rifle.  It's something you just don't see.  However, if you were to bring in a properly cased pistol or long gun I would be interested in seeing what you've got and what you want for it (trade or cash). 

robtmc

Re: 2023 Great Gun Show
« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2023, 06:31:10 PM »
Being a suspicious and untrusting of government sort, this post sounds like the makings of a HPD or ATF sting.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: 2023 Great Gun Show
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2023, 06:31:46 PM »
I forgot to include the exhibit exception.
But show rules still don't allow you to walk around with your gun. There are rules on the website.

What I found in the FAQ on the website:

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5. Do you require that all firearms brought on the premises by the public are checked at the
door YES -

6. Please confirm they are not loaded, that they are tied in a manner to prevent firing, and
that magazines are removed and unloaded YES
https://hawaiihistoricarmsassociation.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/HHAA-Gun-Show-Rules-2022.pdf

"Checked" could mean inspected or given to someone to hold.  Given the number of laws that would break when lending firearms (especially pistols), I would be shocked (but not surprised) if the show operators would accept liability for firearms left in their charge -- not to mention the amount of inconvenience having to accommodate viewings for potential buyers/traders.

But, I have no specific knowledge.  Just posting how I interpret the rules and laws.

 :shaka:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: 2023 Great Gun Show
« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2023, 06:38:54 PM »
Being a suspicious and untrusting of government sort, this post sounds like the makings of a HPD or ATF sting.
There is nothing illegal about doing this. So no worry. They wont waste their time.

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zippz

Re: 2023 Great Gun Show
« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2023, 07:08:47 PM »
"Checked" could mean inspected or given to someone to hold.  Given the number of laws that would break when lending firearms (especially pistols), I would be shocked (but not surprised) if the show operators would accept liability for firearms left in their charge -- not to mention the amount of inconvenience having to accommodate viewings for potential buyers/traders.

But, I have no specific knowledge.  Just posting how I interpret the rules and laws.

 :shaka:

It's to make sure guns are cased or wrapped, unloaded, and action zip tied open.  They don't hold guns there.

oldfart

Re: 2023 Great Gun Show
« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2023, 07:28:21 PM »

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ren

Re: 2023 Great Gun Show
« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2023, 07:31:34 PM »
legal bags  :rofl:
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robtmc

Re: 2023 Great Gun Show
« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2023, 07:41:22 PM »
There is nothing illegal about doing this. So no worry. They wont waste their time.
"Won't waste their time"?

They killed Randy Weaver's wife and kid for a few fractions of an inch.

No way I trust feds or liberal polices serving a democrat regime.
Making an example of a law-abiding citizen for politically incorrect behavior is part of their religion.