We need more "pet friendly" housing (Read 2818 times)

ren

We need more "pet friendly" housing
« on: April 06, 2023, 08:26:27 PM »
Gov Green how do we solve this now?

https://www.khon2.com/local-news/lack-of-pet-friendly-housing-leaves-maui-owner-on-street/

Finding affordable housing is tough enough and adding a dog to the mix makes it a whole different issue.

It is such a problem that some have turned to living in their cars to keep their animals due to a lack of pet-friendly housing.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: We need more "pet friendly" housing
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2023, 08:38:18 PM »
Someone should sue the state for allowing landlords to prohibit dogs.  How can the police say, "Get a big dog," if it's against their lease agreement?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

oldfart

Re: We need more "pet friendly" housing
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2023, 12:28:37 AM »
Someone should sue the state for allowing landlords to prohibit dogs.  How can the police say, "Get a big dog," if it's against their lease agreement?
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groveler

Re: We need more "pet friendly" housing
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2023, 08:34:25 AM »
I don't have a problem like this, but it is a curiosity. The Democrat ruled police dept telling you,
you can't deffend yourself, as that is what they say,  they are there for,
Yet they tell you to get a dog which they know most all renters/lessors
are forbidden to have.
Frankly I'm more willing to be a gun owning criminal in Hawaii, than a victim
of Democrat laws.
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aletheuo137

Re: We need more "pet friendly" housing
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2023, 09:34:55 AM »
 

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DocMercy

Re: We need more "pet friendly" housing
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2023, 02:56:23 PM »
If someone needs a dog in their life, just turn your pet into a service dog. Seriously, a comfort dog qualifies as a service dog.

https://usserviceanimals.org/certification

Most dog trainers can assist you in getting your dog "educated", at a cost of $60/hr. Your reason for needing a service dog can be as simple as anxiety disorder.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: We need more "pet friendly" housing
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2023, 03:20:42 PM »
If someone needs a dog in their life, just turn your pet into a service dog. Seriously, a comfort dog qualifies as a service dog.

https://usserviceanimals.org/certification

Most dog trainers can assist you in getting your dog "educated", at a cost of $60/hr. Your reason for needing a service dog can be as simple as anxiety disorder.

Not exactly.

The rules for service animals have been updated.

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Service animals are defined as dogs that are individually trained to do work or perform tasks
for people with disabilities. Examples of such work or tasks include guiding people who are
blind, alerting people who are deaf, pulling a wheelchair, alerting and protecting a person who
is having a seizure, reminding a person with mental illness to take prescribed medications,
calming a person with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) during an anxiety attack, or
performing other duties. Service animals are working animals, not pets. The work or task a
dog has been trained to provide must be directly related to the person’s disability.
Dogs whose sole function is to provide comfort or emotional support
do not qualify as service animals
under the ADA.


So, you have to have a formal diagnosis from a doctor identifying your disability, and the dog must be trained to perform duties directly related to that disability.  "Comfort" and/or "Emotional Support" alone doesn't qualify Fido as a service dog.

The rules also changed to only allow service dogs.  No other species can be designated as service animals.

Most of the ADA rules address where and when your service animal is allowed to visit with you.  When it comes to housing, the Fair Housing Act incorporates the ADA parts that govern the what and how of service dogs.

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The Fair Housing Act requires owners of housing facilities to make reasonable exceptions
in their policies and operations to afford people with disabilities equal housing opportunities.

For example, a landlord with a “no pets” policy may be required to grant an exception to this
rule and allow an individual who is blind to keep a guide dog in the residence.

https://www.ada.gov/resources/service-animals-2010-requirements/
https://www.ada.gov/resources/disability-rights-guide/

Most of the ADA Service Animal guidelines were in response to the vast number of people abusing the exception just so they can carry their pets wherever they want, including  on airlines and public transportation.

i'm sure there are people still ordering official-looking ID cards and dog vests to try and pass them off as trained service dogs, but it's getting harder to get away with it as companies change their policies.

The link you posted says this in multiple places/ways:

"The great thing about ESAs is that they do not need to be a specific breed or species of animals to provide support. "

As I posted, that is not the way the law reads now.  That's just one example of why you need to be careful about who you trust to take your money.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: We need more "pet friendly" housing
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2023, 03:45:03 PM »
Found this from HUD that guides landlords through the steps for assessing whether they should make an exception for a service animal:

https://www.hud.gov/sites/dfiles/PA/documents/HUDAsstAnimalNC1-28-2020.pdf

Shows how the Fair Housing Act borrowed many of its terms and definitions from the ADA rules but also includes emotional support animals (ESAs).

The Fair Housing Act  governs whether you can have a certain support animal at home, but it's the ADA that governs whether or not you can take that support animal outside your home to places that do not allow animals.

This video lacks detail, but gives an okay overview, too.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

groveler

Re: We need more "pet friendly" housing
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2023, 04:56:02 PM »
If someone needs a dog in their life, just turn your pet into a service dog. Seriously, a comfort dog qualifies as a service dog.

https://usserviceanimals.org/certification

Most dog trainers can assist you in getting your dog "educated", at a cost of $60/hr. Your reason for needing a service dog can be as simple as anxiety disorder.
"Your reason for needing a service dog can be as simple as anxiety disorder."
Living in the state of Hawaii gives me daily anxiety.
I have 4 dogs.
Looking to get two more.
 :shaka:

robtmc

Re: We need more "pet friendly" housing
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2023, 05:52:23 PM »
"Your reason for needing a service dog can be as simple as anxiety disorder."
Living in the state of Hawaii gives me daily anxiety.
I have 4 dogs.
My 5 cats keep me somewhat sane while in Hawaii, knowing I am surrounded by the enemy.

No little buddies but birds in Arizona, but know I am surrounded by kindred spirits helps.

oldfart

Re: We need more "pet friendly" housing
« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2023, 10:23:01 AM »
I don't want my dog in the house.
He stinks.
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changemyoil66

Re: We need more "pet friendly" housing
« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2023, 11:30:30 AM »
I talked to a guy who has seizures and has an Akida dog.  He and many in his real service dog community are pissed off at these "emotional service dog" people.  His statement was "what dog doesn't provide an emotional service?" 

Flapp_Jackson

Re: We need more "pet friendly" housing
« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2023, 11:41:15 AM »
I talked to a guy who has seizures and has an Akida dog.  He and many in his real service dog community are pissed off at these "emotional service dog" people.  His statement was "what dog doesn't provide an emotional service?"

Yep.

it's like saying a wheelchair gives you mobility -- even though you have two good legs and walk just fine. 

Without an actual diagnosed disability, forcing others to accommodate your "need" for an animal is basically cheating.

I remember reading about this former teacher on Oahu who broke the rules and was fired.  She moved to Maui and sued the state for disability benefits.  She claimed being fired caused her anxiety and stress, and therefore the state needed to pay her for her disability that prevented her from working.

She won the case.   :crazy:

I'm amazed at how some people will claim anything to get what they want.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: We need more "pet friendly" housing
« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2023, 01:11:06 PM »
Yep.

it's like saying a wheelchair gives you mobility -- even though you have two good legs and walk just fine. 

Without an actual diagnosed disability, forcing others to accommodate your "need" for an animal is basically cheating.

I remember reading about this former teacher on Oahu who broke the rules and was fired.  She moved to Maui and sued the state for disability benefits.  She claimed being fired caused her anxiety and stress, and therefore the state needed to pay her for her disability that prevented her from working.

She won the case.   :crazy:

I'm amazed at how some people will claim anything to get what they want.

Traveling to Taiwan, the only people we saw in a wheel chair/scooter were disfigured people. Like missing leg or leg backwards, etc...Even the old people weren't in wheel chairs/scooters. Come to the USA you got fat people in them.

Also there are almost never any ADA ramps for said wheeled devices.  Taiwan probably  has no ADA like authority. They would tell you to deal with it.