8 killed, 7 injured in Texas mall shooting; gunman also dead, police say (Read 6530 times)

Flapp_Jackson

and here's the "certified" right wing slant to this:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/rwds-patch-found-texas-gunman-234741129.html

Right Wing Death Squad?

That can mean either right-wingers who see themselves as part of a death squad against leftists,
or it can mean he's part of a left-wing group looking to kill right wingers.

 :geekdanc:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

randay

Right Wing Death Squad?

That can mean either right-wingers who see themselves as part of a death squad against leftists,
or it can mean he's part of a left-wing group looking to kill right wingers.

 :geekdanc:

TWATFJ

changemyoil66

Interesting that within a day, the fake news states a motive. But nothing yet for the Tennessee school shooter...

macsak

hispanic male with prison gang tattoos is definitely white supremacist...

changemyoil66

hispanic male with prison gang tattoos is definitely white supremacist...

Was it an Aryan Brotherhood tatts?  I mean he could have no focus.

1 news article said shooter wore body armor.  The pic looked like a chest rig.  Then add in AR with charging handle and no RDS. Noob status.

drck1000

Was it an Aryan Brotherhood tatts?  I mean he could have no focus.

1 news article said shooter wore body armor.  The pic looked like a chest rig.  Then add in AR with charging handle and no RDS. Noob status.
Your's doesn't have one?  ???

changemyoil66

Your's doesn't have one?  ???

No focus.  Carry handle

Flapp_Jackson

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Tim Pool read a couple of reports that said the shooter was discharged from the Army in 2008 due to mental health "concerns," and that he had no prior police record, no social media posts that could have been flagged, and no real friends to speak of.

So, universal background checks would have turned up nothing negative other than the discharge, and red flag laws would have been useless as he had no one close to him to report his behavior -- assuming he had exhibited anything troubling.

He was trained in the Army, let go for mental health reasons, committed no crimes prior to the shooting, and would have likely avoided any red flags.

2008 was 15 years ago.  Was he being treated for his mental health issues?  Was he on medication?  Did he stop taking it? Did anyone in the mental health profession bother to check on him since he had a history?  Did the Army just kick him out without offering any sort of treatment first?  Seems like he'd qualify for VA benefits with a health problem diagnosed while on active duty, especially if that was the grounds for separation.

Those are much better questions that need answers than "what kind of guns" and "where did he get them?"
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

QUIETShooter

It's almost like the left is afraid to address the mental health issues lest the problem of gun violence suddenly goes away...... ;)
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Sodie

Tim Pool read a couple of reports that said the shooter was discharged from the Army in 2008 due to mental health "concerns," and that he had no prior police record, no social media posts that could have been flagged, and no real friends to speak of.

So, universal background checks would have turned up nothing negative other than the discharge, and red flag laws would have been useless as he had no one close to him to report his behavior -- assuming he had exhibited anything troubling.

He was trained in the Army, let go for mental health reasons, committed no crimes prior to the shooting, and would have likely avoided any red flags.

2008 was 15 years ago.  Was he being treated for his mental health issues?  Was he on medication?  Did he stop taking it? Did anyone in the mental health profession bother to check on him since he had a history?  Did the Army just kick him out without offering any sort of treatment first?  Seems like he'd qualify for VA benefits with a health problem diagnosed while on active duty, especially if that was the grounds for separation.

Those are much better questions that need answers than "what kind of guns" and "where did he get them?"

They booted him prior to finishing basic. Failed a psych eval. Wouldn’t exactly say “trained in the Army.”

Flapp_Jackson

They booted him prior to finishing basic. Failed a psych eval. Wouldn’t exactly say “trained in the Army.”

Good to know, but even in AFROTC, I was provided small arms training in my 4-week Summer training.

Guns are not complicated, especially when compared to other basic skills most of us possess like driving and using a smartphone.  One session to familiarize a recruit with the operation and basic functions of firearms would be sufficient training would give someone the knowledge to continue practicing on their own.

Sometimes just getting a new shooter past the initial mystery and perhaps fear or intimidation surrounding guns is enough.

How long is Army Basic?  The Army website says it is 10 weeks, which is almost 2 1/3 months ({10*7}/30=2.33).  "Prior to finishing" sounds like he could have been early in his training or near the end.  If he completed even half of his basic training, that's not nothing.

P.S. i had a high enough score to earn my Expert Small Arms Award/uniform ribbon the one time we practiced to qualify.  I'd never fired a handgun in my life up to that point.
« Last Edit: May 08, 2023, 06:40:50 PM by Flapp_Jackson »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Sodie

[snip]
Good to know, but even in AFROTC, I was provided small arms training in my 4-week Summer training.

Me too, but putting a box off .38 special through a S&W revolver didn’t exactly make me a steely eyed killer, LOL.

Sounds like this guy had a toxic combination of mental health problems and evil ideology, and a bunch of people have to suffer for it.  Our mental health system is broken. :(

Flapp_Jackson

[snip]
Me too, but putting a box off .38 special through a S&W revolver didn’t exactly make me a steely eyed killer, LOL.

Sounds like this guy had a toxic combination of mental health problems and evil ideology, and a bunch of people have to suffer for it.  Our mental health system is broken. :(

i never said that.  i'm just saying that the amount of training he received in basic should not be diminished as a non-factor.  Over those 15 years, Basic could have been his gateway experience into a longterm love affair with guns.   :love:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

macsak

macsak

hvybarrels



LWC sucks since they dumped Landau
Pretending to be offended does not make you a good person.

Flapp_Jackson

According to this report, he was discharged in 2008 after 3 months of service.  That tells me he was probably done with basic training, but he failed the final medical/mental health  review before graduating.

Quote
A US defense official told CNN on Monday that Garcia was separated from the
Army about 15 years ago because of a mental health condition after an evaluation.
Under Army regulations at the time, a commander could approve the separation
of a service member for physical or mental health conditions that interfere with an
assignment or performance of duty.

Army spokesperson Heather Hagan said Garcia was terminated in June 2008
after three months in the service and did not complete basic training.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/08/us/allen-texas-mall-shooting-gunman-monday/index.html

Apparently he was licensed as a security guard.  I also saw these tidbits in the reports:

Most of the weapons were purchased from private sellers, which means
Garcia didn’t have to go through a federal background check.


That's stupid, of course.  Does having another background check for private sales catch anything more than the one done for dealer purchases?  Also, as a security guard, he's bonded I assume, has had a thorough background check for pre-employment, and likely has had follow-up reviews as part of his job.

People trying to whip up support for laws that would not have stopped this guy is just par for the anti-gun course.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Kalikikopa

It seems the more people push for gun control measures, the more nutjobs out there feel the need to go out and shoot people.
it's been a few years so I can't find my source, but there was a study that showed mass shootings weren't on a rise, the reporting of them was. The internet has made the story accessible worldwide almost immediately.
That if we used the same tactic and reported every traffic death in the country as soon as they happened, shootings would pale by comparison.

hvybarrels

Pretending to be offended does not make you a good person.