i'm frustrated, and i wasn't even there!   

That was entertaining. Kind of reminds me of flying with surfboards only with an additional level of stupid.

It's one of the most highly vaxxed industries so no surprise they are getting more retarded by the minute.

Lots of pilots are dying in the cockpit lately as well. It's only a matter of time before we have a major aviation disaster from the clot shots.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11776471/Pilot-thought-pilot-died-cockpit-joking-report-reveals.html

i like how the Cop told the employee he was basically wasting everyone's time -- especially theirs when there's no missing firearms or mischief happening.

Shows how unsure and incompetent the employees are at doing their jobs.  Should the TSA have been running point instead of some kid who fills out missing baggage forms?

I've only flown through Ketchican and Seattle with fire arms.
Pretty straight forward. Perhaps it is because Seattle
is used to Alaska traffic. both places had TSA  gun inspections
right by the Baggage check-in.
My cousin flew out of Hilo and had no problems. I don't  think
TSA even inspected the gun.
Moral of the story is get there early in case of problems.
Don't accept them doing things out of order, PERIOD.
Declare it
Fill out the form
Go through TSA.
Keep your keys with you

In the case of pistols they don't even know if you have a gun
in your checked baggage. 
 

Total incompetence. Our local airline is worse. Instead of giving front line employees proper training the new solution is to hire managers with fancy new titles. They push out veteran employees who value their job and we are left with gen z. Of course we do get multiple company memos about sustainability and inclusion.

Jones😳

Just as I am preparing to travel for a firearms class. . .

I have so many :facepalm: stories from traveling with firearms over the years.  Nothing surprised me anymore.  That said, how brazen and dumb must TSA folks be to try to pull off crap. . .

Just as I am preparing to travel for a firearms class. . .

I have so many :facepalm: stories from traveling with firearms over the years.  Nothing surprised me anymore.  That said, how brazen and dumb must TSA folks be to try to pull off crap. . .

What would frustrate me is that the passenger obviously has a good amount of experience based on traveling with firearms, so he knows the process.  Yet, the employee who doesn't look like they have ever checked in a firearm refuses to listen to him.

In terms of prevention, if i saw someone about to mess up, I would ask them to call their supervisor over.  If that fails, I'd request a visit from a TSA supervisor.  I'd never hand my gun over to a stranger at the range who acts like it's their first time holding a gun, so why would I trust my firearms to a stranger with a name tag who isn't listening to what i'm telling them? 

Sure, they might have checked in a couple of guns and put them on the wrong conveyor before mine, but were they ever corrected after the locks were cut and the airport staff at the destination had to call the cops?  Just because the agent did it one way and never heard of any problems doesn't mean they aren't doing it wrong.

Mistakes only impact the traveler and their property, not the poorly-trained agent who didn't know what they were doing.

Just as I am preparing to travel for a firearms class. . .

TFTI

I don't have 40 mins. Can someone post the important points. See slots in the background, is this Vegas?

Only 1 over the years of traveling to Vegas. Coming home, Vegas didn't care. Many times, they don't even ask me to open the case or weight the ammo (1 box of 9mmHP, but 1 time it was more and they just asked if was under 11lbs).

Issue going is Hawaiian Air lady had to check if I'm allowed to have less than 50rds in my commercial box of ammo.  IIRC there was like 40rds of 50 max capacity.  Same lady placed the orange card inside my locked handgun gun case, that's inside my suitcase.  All other times, the orange card goes on the outside so TSA knows I've declared it.  I questioned her about this and she said "listen to what I tell you to do".  So I did.  I asked the Vegas HA lady while checking in and she said it goes on the outside.  Same when I flew American later in the year, the orange card went on the outside.

 I'd never hand my gun over to a stranger at the range who acts like it's their first time holding a gun, so why would I trust my firearms to a stranger with a name tag who isn't listening to what i'm telling them? 

I didn't watch the video, but was this is after the case was opened.  IIRC, only the Sheriffs or LE are allowed to handle any firearms.  Even TSA aren't allowed to touch any gun.

TFTI

I don't have 40 mins. Can someone post the important points. See slots in the background, is this Vegas?

Only 1 over the years of traveling to Vegas. Coming home, Vegas didn't care. Many times, they don't even ask me to open the case or weight the ammo (1 box of 9mmHP, but 1 time it was more and they just asked if was under 11lbs).

Issue going is Hawaiian Air lady had to check if I'm allowed to have less than 50rds in my commercial box of ammo.  IIRC there was like 40rds of 50 max capacity.  Same lady placed the orange card inside my locked handgun gun case, that's inside my suitcase.  All other times, the orange card goes on the outside so TSA knows I've declared it.  I questioned her about this and she said "listen to what I tell you to do".  So I did.  I asked the Vegas HA lady while checking in and she said it goes on the outside.  Same when I flew American later in the year, the orange card went on the outside.

I watched maybe the first 2 mins. . . I'll go back later and try to watch a bit more. 

This coming trip, I'm not traveling with ammo.  At least going.  Have ammo waiting for me at the location.  Found some great deals at Cabela's and picking up at the store.  Will see what other goodies they have. 

Check the regs on the orange card. . .

I didn't watch the video, but was this is after the case was opened.  IIRC, only the Sheriffs or LE are allowed to handle any firearms.  Even TSA aren't allowed to touch any gun.

No, the case was locked.  But the agent wasn't acting like they knew how to input the firearm into the system so that it's identified to baggage handlers and the TSA.  Then he placed it on the regular luggage belt -- not the belt for special handling. 

In other words, a Pelican case containing guns was not identified in the system as having firearms, and it was sent on its way like normal baggage.  To anyone X-Raying the bags, they would "discover" guns in a bag that appeared to have not been declared at check-in.  That would automatically trigger an inspection, one would think.

In the video, the first agent he complained about did ask him to open the case so he could "check" it.  I don't think he handled it, but what happened was definitely against airline/airport policy.

Never flew to the mainland with Firearms but inter-island I did a lot. Is this only a certain airlines? Hawaiian was always straight forward.

Never flew to the mainland with Firearms but inter-island I did a lot. Is this only a certain airlines? Hawaiian was always straight forward.

It seems like it's up to the person whos working.  There are tons of stories like this and others who went thru with no issues. See my post above.  Being friendly can help and also having a print out or a easy link to the airlines/TSA policy.  I keep both bookmarked on my phone's browser.  This way I'm not trying to find something on the spot. I also bring back up locks with my in case the worker gives me attitude saying my locks aren't good enough.

Never flew to the mainland with Firearms but inter-island I did a lot. Is this only a certain airlines? Hawaiian was always straight forward.

As mentioned, it's often about the agent you get checking you in and how experienced they are with firearm policies.

If you read all the traveling threads on here, a common suggestion is to print out or have on your phone a copy of the TSA and airline's policies re: firearm travel.  Quite often, you might wind up training the person you're asking to check you in.

Seems like  the major national airlines cause the most trouble at specific airports, indicating that the policies are interpreted differently from airport to airport.  As seen in the video, communication between the TSA, airline agents and customers is a f***ing mess at some airports.

i've not had any issues going to Vegas, Virginia or North Carolina other than a delayed bag w/my pistols once due to a weather re-routing to a different airline.  In Charlotte, NC, I was required to go to my airline's baggage claim agent to claim my luggage since there was a firearm in it.  That's something i never did anywhere else -- just grab it from the carousel like any other luggage.

I have traveled a LOT on Hawaiian:  Almost always when i do have ammo they ask to put them on scale to verify 11lbs or less. Most of the times the "ORANGE CARD" was placed inside.  Twice, outside

Delta once had to UNLOCK Case since TSA Asked (Card placed outside and taped to case.)

Alaska no issues (card taped outside of case.

all of my pelican cases was placed in a suitcase.

Aloha!