Out of control

I've seen many areas of the border wide open with no fence or anything. Why not put choke barbed wire.  Seems like a cheap temporary deterrent.  Of course, they would just dig a hole, but at least it's something thats also affordable.

I know a guy here whos border patrol. He got sent to AZ a few times for months at a time. Local guy. He's all pissed off that he has to go all the way over there.

I've seen many areas of the border wide open with no fence or anything. Why not put choke barbed wire.  Seems like a cheap temporary deterrent.  Of course, they would just dig a hole, but at least it's something thats also affordable.

I know a guy here whos border patrol. He got sent to AZ a few times for months at a time. Local guy. He's all pissed off that he has to go all the way over there.

Barbed wire is pretty easy to defeat with a few people using wire/bolt cutters.  Once it's cut, someone has to notice it and then send someone to repair it.  Rinse and repeat.

i've never understood why several layers of barriers aren't installed -- a wall with barbed/razor wire on both sides, with motion sensors and cameras where they can't be tampered with.  Yeah, a cheap laser can defeat a camera, but when multiple cameras go blank, it's a good idea to send some people out to check on who's there.

People who don't want to protect the border point out that any determined group of illegals can tackle any type of barrier, but the more barriers, the more time it takes, and the more varied the tools needed to use against the measures.

I think the strategy is usually to make a good portion of the border harder to cross so the illegals cross where it's easiest.  That's where manpower can be concentrated, catching them after they've made it across.

Surprised that all these people want to come into a country that is racist, homophobic, transphobic, pronoun unaware, LGBTQITABCDEFG+=&* haters, misogynists, anti-climate change believers, anti Vaxx and pro Vaxxers.
Simply amazing. I don't understand the "Squad" who tell us that our country sucks but yet extend the red carpet to all these illegal immigrants. What are they selling?

Barbed wire is pretty easy to defeat with a few people using wire/bolt cutters.  Once it's cut, someone has to notice it and then send someone to repair it.  Rinse and repeat.

i've never understood why several layers of barriers aren't installed -- a wall with barbed/razor wire on both sides, with motion sensors and cameras where they can't be tampered with.  Yeah, a cheap laser can defeat a camera, but when multiple cameras go blank, it's a good idea to send some people out to check on who's there.

People who don't want to protect the border point out that any determined group of illegals can tackle any type of barrier, but the more barriers, the more time it takes, and the more varied the tools needed to use against the measures.

I think the strategy is usually to make a good portion of the border harder to cross so the illegals cross where it's easiest.  That's where manpower can be concentrated, catching them after they've made it across.

I get that it's easily to cut, but i meant not just a single spool of wire. But like 10 feet deep worth. Normandy style set up. The real journalist who visited the off site border area, had nothing to separate the US and Mexico. Then there's the Rio Grande River that was ankle deep. The reporter was standing in it while doing his story on how easy it is to cross at that section of the river.  I'm sure it gets deeper at various times in the year, so barbed wire might not work there. 

With what we've seen with drone tech in Ukraine, why not use them and have OC grenades dropped.  You can pay a 19 year old sitting at his computer in Montana to operate it.

The point of this is that the border is willingly being neglected.  But nothing beats GW giving an interview on all the fancy new tech at the border. And in the background you see 2 bags being thrown over the wall. Followed by 3 people jumping over. Then them being chased by border patrol.

It’s less of a matter of logistics and more of a treasonous contempt of our sovereignty

I get that it's easily to cut, but i meant not just a single spool of wire. But like 10 feet deep worth. Normandy style set up. The real journalist who visited the off site border area, had nothing to separate the US and Mexico. Then there's the Rio Grande River that was ankle deep. The reporter was standing in it while doing his story on how easy it is to cross at that section of the river.  I'm sure it gets deeper at various times in the year, so barbed wire might not work there. 

With what we've seen with drone tech in Ukraine, why not use them and have OC grenades dropped.  You can pay a 19 year old sitting at his computer in Montana to operate it.

The point of this is that the border is willingly being neglected.  But nothing beats GW giving an interview on all the fancy new tech at the border. And in the background you see 2 bags being thrown over the wall. Followed by 3 people jumping over. Then them being chased by border patrol.

What's the battery life for an electric drone?  Who's going to recover it and swap in freshly charged batteries? Who covers that region when the drones land for recharge/refuel?  Requires multiple drones for 24/7 ops. 

Who goes into the boonies to recover a crashed drone?  If you're talking about the kinds of drones we use in the Middle East, that's a much bigger issue.  Need a ground crew to prep, launch and recover them in normal ops.

The dude or gal sitting at home in Montana might be able to remote fly it IF they have satellite access.  I don't think that's a feature of Mavic Dromes out of the box!

I think we'd need manned observation posts spaced about 40 miles apart -- each post covering about 20 miles on each side.  Each has a few drones and a bunch of sensors being monitored.  When a sensor alerts them, they send out a drone to check on it.  Drones can also be deployed at night when the most number of crossings is likely.  Cameras can be monitored 24/7, and with solar-recharged-battery power, they don't need electricity from a generator.

The border is a pretty big distance to cover:  1.954 miles. 
Divided by 40 (the number of miles a single post can realistically cover and have enough time to react to alerts by driving to the spot) =~ 486 posts. 

cockroaches when the lights go on

What's the battery life for an electric drone?  Who's going to recover it and swap in freshly charged batteries? Who covers that region when the drones land for recharge/refuel?  Requires multiple drones for 24/7 ops. 

Who goes into the boonies to recover a crashed drone?  If you're talking about the kinds of drones we use in the Middle East, that's a much bigger issue.  Need a ground crew to prep, launch and recover them in normal ops.

The dude or gal sitting at home in Montana might be able to remote fly it IF they have satellite access.  I don't think that's a feature of Mavic Dromes out of the box!

I think we'd need manned observation posts spaced about 40 miles apart -- each post covering about 20 miles on each side.  Each has a few drones and a bunch of sensors being monitored.  When a sensor alerts them, they send out a drone to check on it.  Drones can also be deployed at night when the most number of crossings is likely.  Cameras can be monitored 24/7, and with solar-recharged-battery power, they don't need electricity from a generator.

The border is a pretty big distance to cover:  1.954 miles. 
Divided by 40 (the number of miles a single post can realistically cover and have enough time to react to alerts by driving to the spot) =~ 486 posts.

Thats why the barbed wire would be the cheapest option.

They could shut the border down in a second. The point is that they don’t want to.

22 million new voters means Democrats in power forever

They could shut the border down in a second. The point is that they don’t want to.

22 million new voters means Democrats in power forever

And their children will vote DNC because that was the party that allowed them to come here illegally.  My aunty who's dad came to HI illegally feels this way. She is born here, but her father wasn't. Her words were " you know if my dad didnt come here illegally, I wouldn't be here right now".  Same aunty suffers from TDS and hates Musk cause she feels certain people/groups should be censored and fee speech only applies to her side.

Thats why the barbed wire would be the cheapest option.

Barbed wire without sensors and teams to respond is useless… One strand of concertina wire, 30 seconds with a bolt cutter.  Ten yards of C-wire, five minutes with a bolt cutter… but still defeated.  Physical barriers (wire, walls, etc.) MAY deter some of the less motivated, and can only delay folks who are determined to cross the border.  Delaying does nothing unless you can also detect and interdict.

They could shut the border down in a second. The point is that they don’t want to.

22 million new voters means Democrats in power forever

How?

Mines and Claymores should work.

Mines and Claymores should work.

Seems to me this forum has gotten awfully comfortable with advocating unjustified killing. 

Seems to me this forum has gotten awfully comfortable with advocating unjustified killing. 

Is it murder to set up marked mine fields?   

Or is it suicide to knowingly walk into them?

Is it murder to set up marked mine fields?   

Or is it suicide to knowingly walk into them?

I believe claymores require activation…? And, crossing the border unlawfully, absent any aggravating factors, is usually a misdemeanor.  So indiscriminate deadly force to prevent a misdemeanor is ok now?

Anyway, this is just one of several posts I’ve seen lately that seem to at the least justify, and sometimes advocate, killing people in circumstances where I don’t believe it would be legally (or morally) justified.  We’re constantly fighting against the perception that firearms enthusiasts are trigger-happy, bloodthirsty psychos, and then post stuff like this. 

Even aside from all that, it seems to me to be a useful exercise to ask oneself “how would this sound if a prosecutor were reading it to a jury in my trial for a self-defense shooting?” before hitting “Post.”

Is it murder to set up marked mine fields?   

Or is it suicide to knowingly walk into them?

Guess depends if theres a sign in spanish.

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Guess depends if theres a sign in spanish.

The internationally recognized symbol for "mine field" is the skull and crossbones.

Hopefully the people seeing this aren't expecting pirates instead!

How?

Prosecute all the NGOs who are facilitating the invasion and threaten to shut off all funding to Mexico.

And of course build the f#$@ wall