need sword sensitive places (Read 3029 times)

ren

need sword sensitive places
« on: June 19, 2023, 08:12:17 AM »
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2023/06/19/police-arrest-man-accused-threatening-people-with-samurai-sword-chinatown/

Honolulu police have arrested Sunday a 25-year-old man accused of threatening multiple people with a samurai sword in Chinatown.

Authorities said the suspect was taken into custody just before 5:30 p.m.

Officials said he used the sword to threaten a security guard and another man.

Private security officers were able to detain the suspect until police arrived to take him into custody.
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QUIETShooter

Re: need sword sensitive places
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2023, 10:25:16 AM »
I wonder how brave this f*cker would be going around threatening multiple people if Hawaii had Constitutional Carry instead of the bogus CCW bullsh*t that we have now.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

oldfart

Re: need sword sensitive places
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2023, 10:46:48 AM »
I wonder how brave this f*cker would be going around threatening multiple people if Hawaii had Constitutional Carry instead of the bogus CCW bullsh*t that we have now.
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Exactly
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changemyoil66

Re: need sword sensitive places
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2023, 11:05:55 AM »
I wonder how brave this f*cker would be going around threatening multiple people if Hawaii had Constitutional Carry instead of the bogus CCW bullsh*t that we have now.

Chinatown has lots of crazies, so it's possible that even with open carry, this person would be threatening people.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: need sword sensitive places
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2023, 11:10:44 AM »
Chinatown has lots of crazies, so it's possible that even with open carry, this person would be threatening people.

Then the problem would have been permanently resolved -- until the next crazy who thinks he's invincible.

ps: Constitutional Carry doesn't mean open carry.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: need sword sensitive places
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2023, 11:17:41 AM »
Then the problem would have been permanently resolved -- until the next crazy who thinks he's invincible.

ps: Constitutional Carry doesn't mean open carry.

The problem would be solved, but at what cost. I'm sure the guys family would sue the shooter and Alm would probably prosecute too.

I know CS carry doesn't mean OC, but I used OC because it's more of a threat deterrent can CCW.  It's to show that a crazy would still attack an OC'er with a Samurai Sword.  Compared to a CCWer who the crazy has no idea is armed until it's too late.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: need sword sensitive places
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2023, 11:33:47 AM »
The problem would be solved, but at what cost. I'm sure the guys family would sue the shooter and Alm would probably prosecute too.

I know CS carry doesn't mean OC, but I used OC because it's more of a threat deterrent can CCW.  It's to show that a crazy would still attack an OC'er with a Samurai Sword.  Compared to a CCWer who the crazy has no idea is armed until it's too late.

Open carry could also cause the crazy to attack that person first to eliminate him/her as a threat.  Or, they just go somewhere else.  Didn't stop him -- just made him someone else's problem.

And if you're always worried about a family suing, you might as well be a compliant victim and leave your EDC at home.  Maybe you'll get lucky and the crazy will try to kill everyone but you?   :crazy:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: need sword sensitive places
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2023, 11:47:01 AM »
Open carry could also cause the crazy to attack that person first to eliminate him/her as a threat.  Or, they just go somewhere else.  Didn't stop him -- just made him someone else's problem.

And if you're always worried about a family suing, you might as well be a compliant victim and leave your EDC at home.  Maybe you'll get lucky and the crazy will try to kill everyone but you?   :crazy:

I wonder if there's any stats on open carry person and being a victim of an attack.  I've seen open carriers get their guns stolen cause it was just in their pocket (no holster). No OC rifle vids seen with this happening.  But there's plenty of cops stopping OC riflers.  Many are audit type videos. The Armed Fisherman is a good channel for entertainment.  FL allows OC with a rifle when going to and from and while fishing. So this guy does so and is stopped many times cause someone called 911. Most of the vids he post, the cops/DLNR didn't know the OC law when it comes to fishing.  Not 1 vid showed people running away in a panic, but a few asking him what's up and he explains.  His only fault is he does get emotional.  Which is understandable because the same cops detain him even though they went thru this before with him. 

1 funny one was where a cop said that he was a vet and knows how to handle an AR. Instead of using the slings QD point, he unwrapped the entire sling. So the guy was pissed he had to re-thread his sling again. He called the cop a moron.  Plus the cop flagged everyone prior to putting his AR on the hood of the cop car.  In the end, they released him like how they always do and he is seen re-threading the sling.

QUIETShooter

Re: need sword sensitive places
« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2023, 01:24:59 PM »
The family of the samurai sword wielding asshat threatening people are gonna sue because:

wait for it...............

"He was a good boy....."

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: need sword sensitive places
« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2023, 02:38:20 PM »
I wonder if there's any stats on open carry person and being a victim of an attack.  I've seen open carriers get their guns stolen cause it was just in their pocket (no holster).

According to the studies I've read, there's no known evidence that a person who saw an OC weapon turned around and picked another spot or came back later.  Most criminals are not interested in a fair gun fight, so they most often will change their plan rather than attempt to attack the person wearing a gun.  if one has a gun, there may be others.

Unless the person is crazy or a psychopath (more specific flavor of "crazy"), they will not be inclined to go after an armed individual.

So, while OC can deter an immediate threat, it doesn't protect against an attack happening later or elsewhere.  Nor does it exclude the person who's high, drunk or suffering from mental illness.  in those cases, if they did decide to target the armed person, their judgement would have been compromised, so you can't draw any conclusions about what a rational person might decide in the same situation.

Every situation is different, and every person makes the decisions they make for a variety of reasons.  Stats are rather useless when it comes to arguing whether open vs. concealed carry is better.  Whether or not OC is a deterrent against attackers is not a question anyone can answer without more context and situational details.  Even then, the human element makes it impossible to know for sure.

One town passed an ordinance that required all households to own a firearm, and robberies dropped 89%.  Burglaries remained 72% lower a decade later.

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Researcher Gary Kleck found that 92 percent of criminal attacks are deterred when
a gun is merely shown (or, rarely, a warning shot fired). By inference, this means that
open carry would have the effect of deterring crime in the same way that a thief might
choose another restaurant when he sees police eating at his intended target.

Also, larger handguns with more potent ammunition are easier to carry openly.

I personally have taken part in public awareness campaigns. On one occasion
I was contacted by a Gun Owners of America member, Ray Seidel, who lives in
Ruidoso, N.M. The mayor of the village had proclaimed that guns be banned
everywhere within its boundaries.

A hearing was held in Ruidoso last fall with an overflow attendance. In defiance
of the mayor, but consistent with the state's explicit constitutional protection of the
right to open carry, many of us testifying were openly carrying. The mayor's proposal
was shot down, so to speak.

Awareness of an armed citizenry has been shown to lower crime. In 1982, Atlanta
suburb Kennesaw required all households to have a gun. The residential burglary
rate subsequently dropped 89 percent in Kennesaw, compared to the modest 10.4
percent drop in Georgia as a whole.

Ten years later the residential burglary rate in Kennesaw was still 72 percent lower than
when the ordinance was passed.

No wonder open carry is on the march.
https://www.usnews.com/debate-club/should-people-be-allowed-to-carry-guns-openly/open-carry-deters-crime

Anyone who gets a gun stolen off their person because it was visible and they didn't have proper retention using a holster is not acting as a responsible carrier.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

stangzilla

Re: need sword sensitive places
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2023, 07:44:32 PM »

QUIETShooter

Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

groveler

Re: need sword sensitive places
« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2023, 08:37:13 PM »

hvybarrels

Re: need sword sensitive places
« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2023, 11:08:44 PM »
I always loved that scene.

Ford had explosive diarrhea and couldn't film the real fight scene.

https://www.thedigitalfix.com/indiana-jones/diarrhea-gave-iconic-scene
Pretending to be offended does not make you a good person.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: need sword sensitive places
« Reply #14 on: June 19, 2023, 11:21:13 PM »
Ford had explosive diarrhea and couldn't film the real fight scene.

https://www.thedigitalfix.com/indiana-jones/diarrhea-gave-iconic-scene

The first time i watched the movie after hearing that piece of trivia, it was too obvious he was not feeling 100%.

 :geekdanc: :thumbsup: :rofl:
« Last Edit: June 20, 2023, 08:59:28 AM by Flapp_Jackson »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

QUIETShooter

Re: need sword sensitive places
« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2023, 07:01:59 AM »
Who would have thought that a case of the sh*ts would produce an iconic scene like this.

Actually the scene hits close to home as far as reality.

I think everyone in the audience could foretell a lengthy fight scene with sword against whip was coming up so when Ford took out his gun and just shot the guy it was something no one in the audience anticipated and at the same time brought out that "F*CK YEAH!!" laughter. :rofl:

Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.