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Re: HIFICO, Wolford etal vs. Lopez (Hawaii State Sensitive Places Lawsuit)
« Reply #180 on: October 04, 2025, 02:06:24 PM »
Quote from: hvybarrels on October 04, 2025, 01:36:52 PM
Everytown is spamming the Civil Beat comments

https://www.civilbeat.org/2025/10/supreme-court-will-consider-overturning-hawaii-gun-law
Yeah Fred_Garvin & ddperry, the Ben & Jerry of moron Marxist propaganda.

“It’s Pat - Time for Androgyny” - is what comes to mind when it comes to them …

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Re: HIFICO, Wolford etal vs. Lopez (Hawaii State Sensitive Places Lawsuit)
« Reply #181 on: October 06, 2025, 07:48:00 AM »
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Re: HIFICO, Wolford etal vs. Lopez (Hawaii State Sensitive Places Lawsuit)
« Reply #182 on: October 06, 2025, 09:17:52 AM »
Thanks to all who are donating and donating again.

HRA at the gun show was able to raise another $1,000 for the lawsuit.
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Re: HIFICO, Wolford etal vs. Lopez (Hawaii State Sensitive Places Lawsuit)
« Reply #183 on: October 06, 2025, 10:34:20 AM »
HRA has been a major supporter of this lawsuit, to include paying for court and briefing costs in the past.  Kainoa was busy getting donations this weekend.



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Re: HIFICO, Wolford etal vs. Lopez (Hawaii State Sensitive Places Lawsuit)
« Reply #184 on: October 06, 2025, 10:55:28 AM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on October 06, 2025, 09:17:52 AM
Thanks to all who are donating and donating again.

HRA at the gun show was able to raise another $1,000 for the lawsuit.

Where can we donate more?
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Heavies

Re: HIFICO, Wolford etal vs. Lopez (Hawaii State Sensitive Places Lawsuit)
« Reply #185 on: October 06, 2025, 10:58:46 AM »
Odds the legislature modifies the law and moots the case? What strategy if they do this?
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Re: HIFICO, Wolford etal vs. Lopez (Hawaii State Sensitive Places Lawsuit)
« Reply #186 on: October 06, 2025, 11:18:07 AM »
pretty much 100%
they don't want to take the loss at the supreme court because that would set precedent across the country
and they know it screws the lawyers out of compensation...

Quote from: Heavies on October 06, 2025, 10:58:46 AM
Odds the legislature modifies the law and moots the case? What strategy if they do this?
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changemyoil66

Re: HIFICO, Wolford etal vs. Lopez (Hawaii State Sensitive Places Lawsuit)
« Reply #187 on: October 06, 2025, 12:06:51 PM »
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changemyoil66

Re: HIFICO, Wolford etal vs. Lopez (Hawaii State Sensitive Places Lawsuit)
« Reply #188 on: October 06, 2025, 12:07:45 PM »
Quote from: Heavies on October 06, 2025, 10:58:46 AM
Odds the legislature modifies the law and moots the case? What strategy if they do this?

If they moot this, there is no other strategy.  But they would also have to moot this at the county of Honolulu level too.
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Re: HIFICO, Wolford etal vs. Lopez (Hawaii State Sensitive Places Lawsuit)
« Reply #189 on: October 06, 2025, 09:08:53 PM »
At some point they are going to overplay the moot game and the conspiracy to deprive rights will itself become the issue
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Re: HIFICO, Wolford etal vs. Lopez (Hawaii State Sensitive Places Lawsuit)
« Reply #190 on: October 07, 2025, 07:33:05 AM »
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Re: HIFICO, Wolford etal vs. Lopez (Hawaii State Sensitive Places Lawsuit)
« Reply #191 on: October 07, 2025, 08:29:29 AM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on October 06, 2025, 12:07:45 PM
If they moot this, there is no other strategy.  But they would also have to moot this at the county of Honolulu level too.

A prior SCOTUS 2A appeal versus New York was ruled moot, but the timeline was much longer.  SCOTUS granted cert in January 2019.  Law was changed May 2019.  And SCOTUS opinion was issued April 2020.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_State_Rifle_%26_Pistol_Ass%27n_v._City_of_New_York

For Wolford, SCOTUS granted cert Oct 2025 and the opinion is expected in April-June 2026.  The Hawaii legislature starts in the middle of January and normally could get a law enacted as soon as May.  If they really rush it, it could be out late March.

The other difference is New York's law was old while Hawaii's law was just changed two years ago by the same legislature and Governor.  They'd have to admit they were wrong in passing it back in 2023 and that they're gaming the system.
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Re: HIFICO, Wolford etal vs. Lopez (Hawaii State Sensitive Places Lawsuit)
« Reply #192 on: October 07, 2025, 09:57:39 AM »
Quote from: zippz on October 07, 2025, 08:29:29 AM
A prior SCOTUS 2A appeal versus New York was ruled moot, but the timeline was much longer.  SCOTUS granted cert in January 2019.  Law was changed May 2019.  And SCOTUS opinion was issued April 2020.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_State_Rifle_%26_Pistol_Ass%27n_v._City_of_New_York

For Wolford, SCOTUS granted cert Oct 2025 and the opinion is expected in April-June 2026.  The Hawaii legislature starts in the middle of January and normally could get a law enacted as soon as May.  If they really rush it, it could be out late March.

The other difference is New York's law was old while Hawaii's law was just changed two years ago by the same legislature and Governor.  They'd have to admit they were wrong in passing it back in 2023 and that they're gaming the system.
Thanks for greater context here! - they'd have to introduce the bill to repeal relatively soon, so it doesn't seem we have long to wait to see what they plan on doing, either way.

One can never count out their arrogance and hatred of the Constitution though:  They believe Hawaii is THEIR sovereign third-world country, which just so happens to be entitled to suck huge economic benefits from the United States - like a state of the Union - but is not at all bound to honor their citizen's rights as Americans.

Being forced to backtrack from this sickness and corruption goes against every fibre of their twisted beings - even more so given that Trump & Bondi put some "english" on the pitch.

If there are any doubts about this - just reread Eddins 10th grade paper on the "Aloha Spirit."

As a result - I agree - preemptive repeal is likely not something they'd just automatically and pragmatically hop right on.

It'd burn them like Holy Water.

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Re: HIFICO, Wolford etal vs. Lopez (Hawaii State Sensitive Places Lawsuit)
« Reply #193 on: October 07, 2025, 10:18:08 AM »
I would love to see comrade Karl support the new bill repealing this and the look on the vets and all the anti 2a peoples faces.
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Re: HIFICO, Wolford etal vs. Lopez (Hawaii State Sensitive Places Lawsuit)
« Reply #194 on: October 07, 2025, 10:49:23 AM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on October 07, 2025, 10:18:08 AM
I would love to see comrade Karl support the new bill repealing this and the look on the vets and all the anti 2a peoples faces.
Yeah!

Can you Imagine the hang-dog look on the faces of the Mom's Demand Action dogs?

I still can't forget that St. Bernard in a red shirt they had tied up there on the 2rd floor all session last year - damn that was a sour-looking dog.

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Re: HIFICO, Wolford etal vs. Lopez (Hawaii State Sensitive Places Lawsuit)
« Reply #195 on: October 22, 2025, 11:20:06 AM »
Oral arguments scheduled for Jan/Feb 2026.
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