HIFICO, Wolford etal vs. Lopez (Hawaii State Sensitive Places Lawsuit) (Read 64680 times)

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Re: HIFICO, Wolford etal vs. Lopez (Hawaii State Sensitive Places Lawsuit)
« Reply #260 on: June 25, 2026, 09:50:03 PM »
There was an injunction in place preventing enforcement of the law against carrying on private property, beaches and parks, etc.  Because of the Supreme Court decision today, that injunction is obviously no longer necessary regarding private property.  But in regards to beaches and parks, etc., is that injunction automatically removed now, making it immediately illegal to carry at a beach or park?  Or is there some process that needs to take place for that injunction to be removed/cancelled?

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Re: HIFICO, Wolford etal vs. Lopez (Hawaii State Sensitive Places Lawsuit)
« Reply #261 on: June 26, 2026, 01:51:08 PM »
https://www.kitv.com/news/local/hawaii-legislators-react-to-supreme-court-gun-ruling/article_6c662189-3943-4df8-b324-e47d848993a8.html

U.S. Senator Mazie K. Hirono:

“Hawaii has the lowest rate of gun deaths in the country, largely because of our historically strong gun safety laws. Once again, this out-of-control Supreme Court majority is placing political ideology about protecting lives, making our state and our country less safe by expanding the presence of firearms. As this Court exacerbates our nation's gun violence crisis, I remain committed to working towards the common-sense gun safety policies our country desperately needs.”

U.S. Rep. Jill N. Tokuda:

“Today’s Supreme Court decision is wrong for Hawaii, wrong for public safety, and the wrong precedent for states and communities working to keep people safe.

Hawaii’s law did not take away anyone’s right to own or carry a firearm. It simply said that before bringing a gun onto someone else’s private property, you should get permission first.

That should not be controversial. It is a matter of basic respect.

Businesses and property owners set basic rules every day about what is allowed on their property and what is not. No shirt, no shoes, no service. But when Hawaii set a commonsense safety standard for firearms, this Court decided that even asking permission went too far.

This ruling puts guns ahead of Hawaii’s ability to determine what safety looks like in our own communities and businesses. It shifts the burden onto property owners, workers, and families who deserve to feel safe in the places where they live, work, shop, and gather. I will keep fighting for commonsense gun safety laws that protect our people, respect everyone’s rights, and prioritizes our communities’ ability to determine what safety looks like for ourselves.”

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Re: HIFICO, Wolford etal vs. Lopez (Hawaii State Sensitive Places Lawsuit)
« Reply #262 on: June 26, 2026, 01:57:59 PM »
https://www.kitv.com/news/local/hawaii-legislators-react-to-supreme-court-gun-ruling/article_6c662189-3943-4df8-b324-e47d848993a8.html

U.S. Senator Mazie K. Hirono:

“Hawaii has the lowest rate of gun deaths in the country, largely because of our historically strong gun safety laws. Once again, this out-of-control Supreme Court majority is placing political ideology about protecting lives, making our state and our country less safe by expanding the presence of firearms. As this Court exacerbates our nation's gun violence crisis, I remain committed to working towards the common-sense gun safety policies our country desperately needs.”

U.S. Rep. Jill N. Tokuda:

“Today’s Supreme Court decision is wrong for Hawaii, wrong for public safety, and the wrong precedent for states and communities working to keep people safe.

Hawaii’s law did not take away anyone’s right to own or carry a firearm. It simply said that before bringing a gun onto someone else’s private property, you should get permission first.

That should not be controversial. It is a matter of basic respect.

Businesses and property owners set basic rules every day about what is allowed on their property and what is not. No shirt, no shoes, no service. But when Hawaii set a commonsense safety standard for firearms, this Court decided that even asking permission went too far.

This ruling puts guns ahead of Hawaii’s ability to determine what safety looks like in our own communities and businesses. It shifts the burden onto property owners, workers, and families who deserve to feel safe in the places where they live, work, shop, and gather. I will keep fighting for commonsense gun safety laws that protect our people, respect everyone’s rights, and prioritizes our communities’ ability to determine what safety looks like for ourselves.”


i don't recollect that "shirt and shoes" was in the Bill of Rights.  Seriously, the Constitution is lost on these people.  Yet they take the oath ...

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Re: HIFICO, Wolford etal vs. Lopez (Hawaii State Sensitive Places Lawsuit)
« Reply #263 on: June 26, 2026, 02:42:33 PM »
i don't recollect that "shirt and shoes" was in the Bill of Rights.  Seriously, the Constitution is lost on these people.  Yet they take the oath ...
Exactly.

Chief among the causes of prudent men and women arming themselves (beyond just the local authorities "catch & release" policy with respect to violent criminals), is that, apparently, it is not an actionable offense to pursue the destruction of our civil society and overthrow of our country and its institutions - starting right at the top with naked aggression against the Constitution of the United States of America - on the part of "political parties," who, by some defect in human cognition, are allowed to operate openly as if such treason were "legitimate."

Hence we have "hey you anti-communist assholes, check out this openly unconstitutional law we just passed in your state voiding your protections under the Bill of Rights - see you in court!"

... over and over again, without end.

What is a citizen left with, in such a situation as we have in this county now?

Tyranny and freedom cannot coexist.

It is war.
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Re: HIFICO, Wolford etal vs. Lopez (Hawaii State Sensitive Places Lawsuit)
« Reply #264 on: June 26, 2026, 03:29:33 PM »
As far as the parks, beaches, places that serve alcohol, banks, shared parking lots, etc on the preliminary injunction (without a "no guns" sign on private property), you can still carry there for now however that may change suddenly in the near future.  Depends what the 9th appeals court decides to do, keep the PI in place or remove it.

It's possible they may change their mind and keep the PI in place since they have to consider the SCOTUS opinion in their decision.  The SCOTUS decision was much broader and clarified a lot of things, like narrowing down the scope for historical analogies.   The SCOTUS decision was at the high end of our expectations.
« Last Edit: June 26, 2026, 03:45:30 PM by zippz »

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Re: HIFICO, Wolford etal vs. Lopez (Hawaii State Sensitive Places Lawsuit)
« Reply #265 on: June 26, 2026, 04:29:38 PM »


Clarifications to the owners permission.  Permission for CCW is implied unless otherwise indicated.

For parks & beaches, the district court preliminary injunction is still in place as the en banc court never ordered implementation of their decision striking it down due to the SCOTUS appeal.  However the PI could possibly be overturned as the appeals court receives the SCOTUS opinion and has to decide on what to do next.  The Senator Keohokalole mentioned beaches and parks currently banned in a news article, but that was wrong.

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Re: HIFICO, Wolford etal vs. Lopez (Hawaii State Sensitive Places Lawsuit)
« Reply #266 on: June 26, 2026, 05:51:25 PM »
As far as the parks, beaches, places that serve alcohol, banks, shared parking lots, etc on the preliminary injunction (without a "no guns" sign on private property), you can still carry there for now however that may change suddenly in the near future.  Depends what the 9th appeals court decides to do, keep the PI in place or remove it.

It's possible they may change their mind and keep the PI in place since they have to consider the SCOTUS opinion in their decision.  The SCOTUS decision was much broader and clarified a lot of things, like narrowing down the scope for historical analogies.   The SCOTUS decision was at the high end of our expectations.
Many Thanks Zippz for sharing this authoritative take on the aftermath of the SCOTUS decision here - it is greatly appreciated!
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Re: HIFICO, Wolford etal vs. Lopez (Hawaii State Sensitive Places Lawsuit)
« Reply #267 on: June 28, 2026, 07:02:52 AM »
i don't recollect that "shirt and shoes" was in the Bill of Rights.  Seriously, the Constitution is lost on these people.  Yet they take the oath ...
"Businesses and property owners set basic rules every day about what is allowed on their property and what is not. No shirt, no shoes, no service." WITH A SIGN
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What's next after Wolford?  Gun grabbers will still be at it...

"Remember early this year when there was a bill in the Hawaii legislature to make every business put up a sign that said one way or another whether guns were allowed.  I really thought that bill was an outlier bill written by a Hawaii legislator.  Now that same proposal is being pushed nationally by Ian Ayres and Fredrick Vars who are law professors at Yale University and University of Alabama and the original authors of the Vampire Rule which was struck down in Wolford. I expect that all five states that had Vampire Rules will propose this law in their coming legislative sessions."  Alan Beck

Gun-Free Stores Still on States’ Menu After Supreme Court Ruling
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/legal-exchange-insights-and-commentary/gun-free-stores-still-on-states-menu-after-supreme-court-ruling
But states don’t need to stop there. They can adopt a better solution: an affirmative-choice law. Under such a law, stores open to the public would be required, as a condition of doing business with the public, to disclose whether concealed firearms are allowed.

The 2026 Hawaii Bill SB3041 https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=SB&billnumber=3041



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What's next after Wolford?  Gun grabbers will still be at it...

"Remember early this year when there was a bill in the Hawaii legislature to make every business put up a sign that said one way or another whether guns were allowed.  I really thought that bill was an outlier bill written by a Hawaii legislator.  Now that same proposal is being pushed nationally by Ian Ayres and Fredrick Vars who are law professors at Yale University and University of Alabama and the original authors of the Vampire Rule which was struck down in Wolford. I expect that all five states that had Vampire Rules will propose this law in their coming legislative sessions."  Alan Beck

Gun-Free Stores Still on States’ Menu After Supreme Court Ruling
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/legal-exchange-insights-and-commentary/gun-free-stores-still-on-states-menu-after-supreme-court-ruling
But states don’t need to stop there. They can adopt a better solution: an affirmative-choice law. Under such a law, stores open to the public would be required, as a condition of doing business with the public, to disclose whether concealed firearms are allowed.

The 2026 Hawaii Bill SB3041 https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=SB&billnumber=3041


Yes they always intended to coerce the local community into reflexively banning law-abiding citizens from having the means, under the 2nd Amendment, to defend themselves or other innocents from the violent criminals that they continually release into the community.

They know the job is easy here - heck, their minions already associate civilian concealed carry permit holders - arguably the most vetted anti-criminals in our society, as the danger - not the ACTUAL violent criminals who already prey on them.

No signs here ever saying violent criminals are not welcome …. this is so mental it’s nauseating.

The Vampire rule was the front door.  Now it’s closed they’ll go around back.

We (gun owners) are a very large community here - on all Islands.  Looks like the fight is going right down to your local store.

These business owners need to feel the reality that they are idiotically going to war with a huge part of Hawaii - THE LAW-ABIDING PART.

Thanks for posting this zippz - the cartoon says it all.
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