the only living President NOT descended from SLAVEOWNERs (Read 2839 times)

ren

the only living President NOT descended from SLAVEOWNERs
« on: June 28, 2023, 04:38:54 PM »
Trump.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-is-the-living-us-president-not-descended-slaveholders-report-says

Presidents Biden, Carter, George W. Bush, Clinton and Obama all have ancestors who enslaved Black people in their family trees, according to the report, with Obama's link coming from his White mother's side.
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eyeeatingfish

Re: the only living President NOT descended from SLAVEOWNERs
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2023, 10:13:53 PM »
Why does this matter? Aren't conservatives supposed to be the party of not caring about this type of thing?

ren

Re: the only living President NOT descended from SLAVEOWNERs
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2023, 10:16:52 PM »
Who said Im a conservative
but I love parties
« Last Edit: June 28, 2023, 10:49:05 PM by ren »
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hvybarrels

Re: the only living President NOT descended from SLAVEOWNER
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2023, 10:20:24 PM »
Who said Im a conservative

I wasn’t either until the left went off the deep end
“A Communist system can be recognized by the fact that it spares the criminals and criminalizes the political opponent.”   -Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Flapp_Jackson

Re: the only living President NOT descended from SLAVEOWNERs
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2023, 01:21:28 AM »
Why does this matter? Aren't conservatives supposed to be the party of not caring about this type of thing?

If the other side chooses to attack, and your side chooses peace, you do not have peace.

You have surrendered.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: the only living President NOT descended from SLAVEOWNERs
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2023, 11:19:23 PM »
If the other side chooses to attack, and your side chooses peace, you do not have peace.

You have surrendered.

Surely you are familiar with the phrase "be the bigger man" or "two wrongs don't make a right"?

If you toss out conservative values then they were probably never real in the first place.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: the only living President NOT descended from SLAVEOWNERs
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2023, 12:19:25 AM »
Surely you are familiar with the phrase "be the bigger man" or "two wrongs don't make a right"?

If you toss out conservative values then they were probably never real in the first place.

Surely you have not been living in a cave these last 15+ years.

How many Democrats still vote for only Democrats even though they admit their party has been hijacked by the radical Left?

You'll never get enough of them to agree with Conservatives.  Might as well try to convince Satan to change his evil ways, or Jews to donate toward a statue of Hitler.
« Last Edit: June 30, 2023, 10:42:55 AM by Flapp_Jackson »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

astroboy

Re: the only living President NOT descended from SLAVEOWNERs
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2023, 10:08:03 AM »
Why does this matter? Aren't conservatives supposed to be the party of not caring about this type of thing?

History does matter. Why do you think antifa, blm, and other foot soldiers of the leftists destroyed statues,
canceled and attacked important figures of American history such as the founding fathers?
The left even destroyed a statue of Frederick Douglas. When embarrasing facts about Trump emerge, it
needs to silenced/canceled.

Mao had his red guard to attack and destroy his political enemies. The left has antifa and blm. This is right
out of the communist play book. It is all part of class antagonism, the communist engine of change.
Remember just one goal of communism is the abolishment of personal property. You will own nothing and
you will be happy.

changemyoil66

Re: the only living President NOT descended from SLAVEOWNERs
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2023, 11:22:56 AM »
History does matter. Why do you think antifa, blm, and other foot soldiers of the leftists destroyed statues,
canceled and attacked important figures of American history such as the founding fathers?
The left even destroyed a statue of Frederick Douglas. When embarrasing facts about Trump emerge, it
needs to silenced/canceled.

Mao had his red guard to attack and destroy his political enemies. The left has antifa and blm. This is right
out of the communist play book. It is all part of class antagonism, the communist engine of change.
Remember just one goal of communism is the abolishment of personal property. You will own nothing and
you will be happy.

This is their greatest strength.  Get people to work for you without knowing that they are.  With regard to Antifa and BLM, when has the side who's burning building ever been the good side?  Add in the ballot harvesters and suitcase ballot dumpers, all think in their mind that they're doing the right thing cause they don't want Trump in office. So they're willing to break the law and destroy the election process.

With all that's been going on in politics and covid for the past years, I know who would have sided and helped Hitler/Nazi's. 

History's concepts are repeating itself.

macsak

Re: the only living President NOT descended from SLAVEOWNER
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2023, 12:30:21 PM »
cool story, bro...

When faced Bill Clinton was in office I thought he should have been prosecuted and thrown in jail for lying. When Bush was president I was indifferent and appreciative of the wage raises. I did think that Dick Cheney's company should not have been profiting from the wars in the middle east. It was a conflict of interest and provided an incentive to keep the wars continuing. When given the choice between Obama and McCain I was indifferent and thought either would be okay. When faced with the decision of Trump vs Hillary in 2016 my response was whatever. My wife said I better hope Hillary wins. During Trumps presidency I realized what a criminal, uncaring self interested person this man was. Him and everyone in his administration where taking advantage of their positions to steal from the American People. Now he has been indicted and his cult like followers continue to support this man no matter what he does to harm and steal from citizens. He cares about nobody but himself and the only reason he aspires to power is for greed and to stay out of jail. He cares zero about democracy or the United States and would happily sell out our country to its adversaries for profit. Listen to your wives.

changemyoil66

Re: the only living President NOT descended from SLAVEOWNER
« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2023, 12:46:34 PM »
When faced Bill Clinton was in office I thought he should have been prosecuted and thrown in jail for lying. When Bush was president I was indifferent and appreciative of the wage raises. I did think that Dick Cheney's company should not have been profiting from the wars in the middle east. It was a conflict of interest and provided an incentive to keep the wars continuing. When given the choice between Obama and McCain I was indifferent and thought either would be okay. When faced with the decision of Trump vs Hillary in 2016 my response was whatever. My wife said I better hope Hillary wins. During Trumps presidency I realized what a criminal, uncaring self interested person this man was. Him and everyone in his administration where taking advantage of their positions to steal from the American People. Now he has been indicted and his cult like followers continue to support this man no matter what he does to harm and steal from citizens. He cares about nobody but himself and the only reason he aspires to power is for greed and to stay out of jail. He cares zero about democracy or the United States and would happily sell out our country to its adversaries for profit. Listen to your wives.


Wow. Hahahahahahhahaha. Their greatest deception is to get people to work for them for free.  This is how you control the population. But what throws a wrench in the works are those who know how to use logic and think for themselves.

Jean makes all these statements with nothing to show that they're true. 

ren

Re: the only living President NOT descended from SLAVEOWNER
« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2023, 01:12:22 PM »

Wow. Hahahahahahhahaha. Their greatest deception is to get people to work for them for free.  This is how you control the population. But what throws a wrench in the works are those who know how to use logic and think for themselves.

Jean makes all these statements with nothing to show that they're true.

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: the only living President NOT descended from SLAVEOWNER
« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2023, 01:59:22 PM »

Wow. Hahahahahahhahaha. Their greatest deception is to get people to work for them for free.  This is how you control the population. But what throws a wrench in the works are those who know how to use logic and think for themselves.

Jean makes all these statements with nothing to show that they're true.

Xhe left out the obvious fact that Hildabeast was First (Worst) Lady under the president Xhe thinks should have been found guilty of perjury.  After all the Clinton scandals, many of which had her as a central participant or instigator, somehow Trump is the self-centered criminal?  LOL!!

as of June 21, 2016
Whitewater, 1992
Travelgate, 1993
Vince Foster Death, 1993
Paula Jones/Monica Lewinsky, 1994
Filegate, 1996
Benghazi, 2012
Clinton Foundation, 2015
Private Email Server, 2015

https://www.npr.org/2016/06/12/481718785/clinton-scandals-a-guide-from-whitewater-to-the-clinton-foundation

I would have also included Bill appointing his wife as the Health Care Czar tasked with finding ways to improve the health care system nationwide.  As First Lady, that was way outside of her authority, and she had no special skills or experience for running a health care policy program.  She failed miserably.

Clinton health care plan of 1993
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_health_care_plan_of_1993

I might also include how she won the Senate seat in New York after barely establishing legal residency through the purchase of a house there.

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In January 2001, two months after Hillary Rodham Clinton's election to the Senate, President Clinton pardoned four residents of the New Square Hasidic enclave in Rockland County, New York, who had been convicted of defrauding the federal government of $30 million by establishing a fictitious religious school.[105][106] New Square had voted almost unanimously for Hillary Rodham Clinton in the New York Senate race. A lawyer following the matter stated that even if Clinton had promised to lobby her husband for clemency in exchange for the town's votes — a claim for which there was no proof — it would be difficult to establish a crime had taken place: "Politicians make promises all the time. That's nothing new — or illegal."[105] Clinton acknowledged sitting in on a post-election meeting discussing possible clemency for the four, but said she had played no part in her husband's decision.[106]

A federal investigation launched to investigate various Clinton pardons,[105] closed its investigation of the New Square matter in June 2002 by taking no action against Bill Clinton, Hillary Rodham Clinton, or any residents of New Square.[107]
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Hillary Clinton's former finance director, David Rosen, was indicted on January 7, 2005, on campaign finance charges related to a fund-raising event produced by Peter F. Paul. Paul, a convicted drug dealer who would soon after be convicted on stock fraud charges after being extradited from Brazil, stated that he spent $1.2 million to produce the August 12, 2000 Hollywood Gala Salute to President William Jefferson Clinton event, which was both a tribute to honor President Clinton and a fundraiser for the First Lady's 2000 Senate campaign. The Justice Department indictment charged Rosen with filing false reports with the Federal Election Commission by reporting only $400,000 in contributions. On May 27, 2005, the jury acquitted Rosen on all counts.[108] On January 5, 2006, it was reported that Clinton's campaign group agreed to pay a $35,000 fine related to the underreporting of the fundraiser's expenses.[109]

Peter Paul also filed a civil suit in this matter, Paul v. Clinton. On April 10, 2006, the judge in charge of the case removed Hillary Clinton as a defendant, citing a lack of evidence, but leaving open the possibility that she might still be called to testify as a witness in the case.[110] The removal was upheld by the California Second District Court of Appeal on October 16, 2007.[111]

Meanwhile, by the time of Hillary Clinton's 2008 presidential campaign, a 13-minute video produced by Paul and describing his various allegations against Hillary Clinton had become quite popular on the Internet, gaining 1.4 million hits on Google Video and about 350,000 on YouTube in a single week in October 2007.[112]

The list is endless.
« Last Edit: June 30, 2023, 02:16:13 PM by Flapp_Jackson »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

ren

Re: the only living President NOT descended from SLAVEOWNERs
« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2023, 02:05:31 PM »
"certified" triggered
But back to topic.
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eyeeatingfish

Re: the only living President NOT descended from SLAVEOWNERs
« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2023, 08:37:43 PM »
History does matter. Why do you think antifa, blm, and other foot soldiers of the leftists destroyed statues,
canceled and attacked important figures of American history such as the founding fathers?
The left even destroyed a statue of Frederick Douglas. When embarrasing facts about Trump emerge, it
needs to silenced/canceled.

Mao had his red guard to attack and destroy his political enemies. The left has antifa and blm. This is right
out of the communist play book. It is all part of class antagonism, the communist engine of change.
Remember just one goal of communism is the abolishment of personal property. You will own nothing and
you will be happy.

So again, why does it matter whether all these president's were decedents of slave owners? It isn't consequential to anything

eyeeatingfish

Re: the only living President NOT descended from SLAVEOWNERs
« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2023, 08:38:59 PM »
Surely you have not been living in a cave these last 15+ years.

How many Democrats still vote for only Democrats even though they admit their party has been hijacked by the radical Left?

You'll never get enough of them to agree with Conservatives.  Might as well try to convince Satan to change his evil ways, or Jews to donate toward a statue of Hitler.

So abandon conservative values and only hold them when convenient?

astroboy

Re: the only living President NOT descended from SLAVEOWNERs
« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2023, 10:45:33 PM »
So again, why does it matter whether all these president's were decedents of slave owners? It isn't consequential to anything

The left has made the slavery issue the basis for declaring that the USA is beyond redemption. The left has also called for all sorts
of ways to divide and damage our country since we are in their eyes so evil. One would think that with all the intelligent points raised
by members of this forum on the efforts of the left, this would all be crystal clear. As I stated earlier when a positive fact about Trump
is discovered, it has to be silenced/canceled, because it does not fit their narrative.

If you cannot understand the humor and irony of these facts along with the obvious hypocrisy of the leftists then I cannot help you.
You need to look else where for your answers. Perhaps you need to visit sites full of like minded people as yourself. You may find
comfort and understanding there. Have you read the Communist Manifesto? It is an easy read, only about 50 something pages.
If you did read it, then maybe you should read it again. 2nd time might be the charm.

eyeeatingfish

Re: the only living President NOT descended from SLAVEOWNERs
« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2023, 09:08:37 PM »
The left has made the slavery issue the basis for declaring that the USA is beyond redemption. The left has also called for all sorts
of ways to divide and damage our country since we are in their eyes so evil. One would think that with all the intelligent points raised
by members of this forum on the efforts of the left, this would all be crystal clear. As I stated earlier when a positive fact about Trump
is discovered, it has to be silenced/canceled, because it does not fit their narrative.

If you cannot understand the humor and irony of these facts along with the obvious hypocrisy of the leftists then I cannot help you.
You need to look else where for your answers. Perhaps you need to visit sites full of like minded people as yourself. You may find
comfort and understanding there. Have you read the Communist Manifesto? It is an easy read, only about 50 something pages.
If you did read it, then maybe you should read it again. 2nd time might be the charm.

My whole point is that we are stronger if we maintain our convictions. We don't gain anything by becoming petty like the left. It isn't consequential so we shouldn't care. If we enter the victim Olympics then not only are we no better than them but we show our convictions to be empty.

ren

Re: the only living President NOT descended from SLAVEOWNERs
« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2023, 09:33:44 PM »
My whole point is that we are stronger if we maintain our convictions. We don't gain anything by becoming petty like the left. It isn't consequential so we shouldn't care. If we enter the victim Olympics then not only are we no better than them but we show our convictions to be empty.

 Who are "we"?
« Last Edit: July 12, 2023, 09:43:19 PM by ren »
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: the only living President NOT descended from SLAVEOWNERs
« Reply #19 on: July 12, 2023, 10:47:41 PM »
Who are "we"?

Obviously, that's part of their pronouns.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw