My mistake, I meant "walk away" as in not only actually walking away, but not ackowledging or engaging in conversation any further.  Even go as far as turning your back on the person, which I've done before. Not to a LEO, but a few people whom I don't like who tired to engage in conversation.  So being in a line or unable to "walk away" doesn't matter.  I can even turn my back to the person if I choose to.

I don't automatically assume someone asking for my ID is LE if they're in plain clothes with no badge or ID showing.  Which is why I posted unless they're in the airlines uniform (not LEO) or TSA (not LEO, well I think anyways they're not LEO).  If someone in an airline uniform ask for my ID and to see the ticket, then I will show it to them.  Same goes with TSA.

As I posted, they are wearing airport credentials -- the kind that let them get through locked doors and be in spaces reserved for "authorized personnel only."

With that as your only information, would you not be inclined to assume you are talking to airline or airport employees?

A major Civil Asset Forfeiture (CAF) ruling yesterday overturned the crazy ruling by the courts in the case of the Feds versus a US Private Vault customer.

What's probably just as crazy is the ruling came out of the 9th Circus!

Summary:  The FBI was issued a warrant against the company, US Private Vault (UPV).  The warrant was to look for evidence of crimes such as money laundering against the company, but not the customers who rented safe deposit boxes there.  The warrant specified the FBI could open, examine, inventory and RETURN the contents of customer-rented boxes, but they were not authorized to seize any of it.

The FBI had planned all along to keep as much loot as they found under CAF, even though they knew they had a warrant that stated they couldn't do it.

A customer sued to get their property back, and the initial courts ruled the government could keep the contents under CAF if they suspected the property to be linked to criminal activity.  Meanwhile, no criminal charges were ever filed against the box owner.

The case was finally appealed to the 9th Circus, and they ruled that as a matter of law, the contents of the box must be returned -- period.  The FBI can't use a warrant against the company to shoehorn CAF actions against the customers when the warrant expressly forbids it. (Duh).

The FBI raided the vault in March 2021.  A lawyer involved in the class action to get customers their property returned said the raid was the "largest armed robbery in US history."

Here's the story on the lower court dismissing the lawsuit, saying the FBI raid of US Private Vaults did not violate the Fourth Amendment, even though 1,400 boxes' contents totaling millions of dollars were seized.

The lawsuit was filed after FBI agents raided the Beverly Hills branch of
US Private Vaults, seizing more than $86 million in cash, as well as jewelry
and gold from 1,400 safe-deposit boxes. It said owners' items still had not
been returned and that agents misled a judge to get the warrant.

None of the people who owned the boxes has been charged after almost
five years of investigating; various agencies concluded "the problem was
the business itself," court documents said.

https://www.businessinsider.com/fbi-raid-1400-boxes-us-private-vaults-ruling-2022-10?op=1

Three years to finally get the government to return what they literally stole from people in violation of the Constitution, the law and the warrant they used.

 

Its a win win for the feds. The owner will now have to sign out to get the items back. Then come the IRS audits.

The warrant should have not been to open any boxes not owned by the company or its decision makers.

If you give a little leeway to the gov, they will use it to screw people over. Which is why I oppose the bill on handgun safe storage to children that's been presented this session. On the paper will have a sentance to report anything to the teacher. Now a gun owner will get a knock on their door from HPD cause they left a disassembled gun on the table with no ammo unattended because they had to take a piss or get addtional tools from another room.  THen their kid reports it to their teacher.

Add in will any agents get arrested for violating the warrant? No. They prob will get or already got a promotion.

Add in will any agents get arrested for violating the warrant? No. They prob will get or already got a promotion.

like any big government bureaucracy, as long as you were just following orders, policy or agency guidance, you aren't accountable for your actions.

like any big government bureaucracy, as long as you were just following orders, policy or agency guidance, you aren't accountable for your actions.

"like any big government bureaucracy, as long as you were just following orders, policy or agency guidance, you aren't accountable for your actions."
One would have thought Nuremberg trials  would have taught  us a lesson.
Never give up your guns, and government is not your protector. YOU are.