https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/hawaii-officials-pulled-firefighters-away-right-before-blaze-ramped-up-report/ar-AA1fJkT8?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=65dca6bb67c5425eb19f2bdbd6e53092&ei=16

There wasn't enough firefighters that fateful night.

Hawaii Emercency Management Agency's director didn't know that fast moving fires could kill people
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2023/08/25/emergency-management-head-maui-didnt-ask-state-help-lahaina-until-it-was-too-late/

Also he thinks the government did everything perfect
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2023/08/25/governments-response-did-not-contribute-deaths-says-states-incident-commander/

In my opinion the biggest bullsh*t story so far is Andaya resigning for health reasons.

In my opinion the biggest bullsh*t story so far is Andaya resigning for health reasons.

They think we are stupid and/or obedient enough to just accept obvious lies and move on, but the death toll is way too high to sweep under the rug in the usual manner.

I actually feel for Maj. Gen. Ken Hara. What he saw in Lahaina triggered his PTSD from Iraq and just like the good old days he's getting orders to lie in order to protect the government.
That would be SNAFU enough, but on top of that he's also getting death threats from his own community. There's no amount of training that can prepare someone for that kind of pressure.

Five Capitol police officers committed suicide after Jan 6, and that was a garden party compared to this. The fire most likely has not finished taking lives yet.

In my opinion the biggest bullsh*t story so far is Andaya resigning for health reasons.

Saw this this morning.  I'm not the only one calling bullshit.

Hawaii Emercency Management Agency's director didn't know that fast moving fires could kill people
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2023/08/25/emergency-management-head-maui-didnt-ask-state-help-lahaina-until-it-was-too-late/

Also he thinks the government did everything perfect
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2023/08/25/governments-response-did-not-contribute-deaths-says-states-incident-commander/

Where’s the part where he said he didn’t know fires could kill people?  I missed that in the news story.

Where’s the part where he said he didn’t know fires could kill people?  I missed that in the news story.

The part where he knew an entire town burned down but assumed everyone was okay.

The part where he knew an entire town burned down but assumed everyone was okay.

So it was unreasonable to believe that everyone evacuated, since the county didn’t inform him of fatalities?

You’re stretching a bit with this one.

So it was unreasonable to believe that everyone evacuated, since the county didn’t inform him of fatalities?

You’re stretching a bit with this one.

If I was the head of emergency management and the obviously incompetent political hacks on Maui were telling me that a fire destroyed the entire town of Lahaina in a matter of hours but they safely evacuated everyone my answer would be “No seriously, how many are dead?”

Then again I’m not convinced that plausible deniability is some sort of magical shield against karmic consequences.

Russell Brand: “Cover Up!  This is What Really Caused the Hawaii Fire?!”

I wonder all the time if making tourism the #1 industry in Hawaii was a wise one.

I see Hawaii's culture and beauty being violated by the greed and insensitivity of tourist industries bent on profit at all costs.

There is a real war going on between local interests and outside interests.  And we know where Hawaii's government stands on this issue, regardless of what comes out of their lying mouths.

We are part of this global economy. Competition.

The sugar cane industry was the root cause according to this ethics professor. https://www.khon2.com/aloha-authentic/lahaina-was-once-lush-but-then-water-was-taken/

“When the first botanist came in 1792 on Vancouver’s voyage, he writes about how the land is so lush, that there is all these fishponds and stream waters and springs and that everything is cultivated to its ultimate,” says McGregor.

“There are these gardens of sweet potato, there are these great trees of ‘ulu (breadfruit), and you get this beautiful picture of lushness that was Lāhainā.  Where the chief lived at the time, which was Kahekili, High Chief Kahekili, he lived on Moku’ula which was in the center of the Mokuhinia fishpond.  It was a very sacred area guarded by Kihawahine, or the mo’o (water spirit) that protects the land and the waters there of Lāhainā.  So, it was a very central place for the major chiefs of Hawai’i.”

And speaking of that same Moku’ula island, fast forward to King Kamehameha III, he also called that island his residence.

But from that time, how did then the transition from being such a lush ‘āina (land) to being such a droughted ‘āina?

When we even look at the name Lāhainā, one translation is “the cruel sun” leading to its drought.

So, where was that transition?

“That came when the sugar cane began to be cultivated on a large-scale basis in the 1860s and there is a report in 1867 by Davida Malo and others on some on the mission,” says McGregor.

“They went house to house because there was a famine in Lāhainā in 1867 and they wanted to know what was the cause of it.  And what they found was that the cultivation of sugar, the foundation of what later became Pioneer Mill, was diverting the water away from the taro pond fields into the sugar cane fields and people were also starting to grow sugar instead of kalo (taro).  And so, this led to the loss of subsistence food and the report was we should stop cultivating sugar and we should go back and cultivate the ‘ulu and the sweet potato and the taro.  But as we know, sugar cane began to develop more there in Lāhainā and divert more waters to expand the cultivation of sugar under Pioneer Mill into the 20th century.”

Again, this is just a little more for you to understand our history of Lāhainā and maybe how we can use that to better move forward into the future.

If you want to learn more of Hawai’i’s history and culture, click here to visit the Aloha Authentic page on KHON2.com.

Did you know?  Now you do!

So the answer lies in developing a sweet potato  and taro industry / market.

the answer is the imperialist imperialism by the imperialistic power okole...

The sugar cane industry was the root cause according to this ethics professor. https://www.khon2.com/aloha-authentic/lahaina-was-once-lush-but-then-water-was-taken/

“When the first botanist came in 1792 on Vancouver’s voyage, he writes about how the land is so lush, that there is all these fishponds and stream waters and springs and that everything is cultivated to its ultimate,” says McGregor.

“There are these gardens of sweet potato, there are these great trees of ‘ulu (breadfruit), and you get this beautiful picture of lushness that was Lāhainā.  Where the chief lived at the time, which was Kahekili, High Chief Kahekili, he lived on Moku’ula which was in the center of the Mokuhinia fishpond.  It was a very sacred area guarded by Kihawahine, or the mo’o (water spirit) that protects the land and the waters there of Lāhainā.  So, it was a very central place for the major chiefs of Hawai’i.”

And speaking of that same Moku’ula island, fast forward to King Kamehameha III, he also called that island his residence.

But from that time, how did then the transition from being such a lush ‘āina (land) to being such a droughted ‘āina?

When we even look at the name Lāhainā, one translation is “the cruel sun” leading to its drought.

So, where was that transition?

“That came when the sugar cane began to be cultivated on a large-scale basis in the 1860s and there is a report in 1867 by Davida Malo and others on some on the mission,” says McGregor.

“They went house to house because there was a famine in Lāhainā in 1867 and they wanted to know what was the cause of it.  And what they found was that the cultivation of sugar, the foundation of what later became Pioneer Mill, was diverting the water away from the taro pond fields into the sugar cane fields and people were also starting to grow sugar instead of kalo (taro).  And so, this led to the loss of subsistence food and the report was we should stop cultivating sugar and we should go back and cultivate the ‘ulu and the sweet potato and the taro.  But as we know, sugar cane began to develop more there in Lāhainā and divert more waters to expand the cultivation of sugar under Pioneer Mill into the 20th century.”

Again, this is just a little more for you to understand our history of Lāhainā and maybe how we can use that to better move forward into the future.

If you want to learn more of Hawai’i’s history and culture, click here to visit the Aloha Authentic page on KHON2.com.

Did you know?  Now you do!

So the answer lies in developing a sweet potato  and taro industry / market.

the answer is the imperialist imperialism by the imperialistic power okole...

are you speaking from the perspective of Asian privilege? perhaps Japanese?

The answer has already been implemented.  Get rid of the sugar cane industry here, and everything will magically be transformed into the agricultural utopia that was pre-1867 Hawaii.

Funny how that worked out.  You can't go back in time once a new door has been opened. 

I was told by a neighbor island farmer that she was not allowed to sell her strawberries in Hawaii or any other US state when NAFTA was in effect.  No fair competing against our global economy partners, like Mexico.  Another thing Trump rarely gets recognition for even though Pelosi herself said Trump's new policy was much better than NAFTA -- not just for us, but all of N. America.

And we ask why so much of our subsistence is dependent on produce shipped in from all over.

What will end, though, is an extraordinary history of skills-training programs that
have produced, over the years, thousands of certified welders, electricians, internal-
combustion mechanics, and other journeyman-level skilled workers. One former
millwright, who learned welding while on the payroll of Hawaiian Commercial & Sugar,
claimed that, “Other than Pearl Harbor, the state has no other training facility for these
skills.” Over the decades, many graduates of HC&S apprentice programs took their
skills elsewhere in the county and state. Now we’ve lost a de facto training academy,
and that loss is probably immeasurable.

On Maui, many vendors of agricultural products, machine components, and irrigation
supplies just lost their best customer. Greg Heyd, the Maui branch manager for Brewer
Environmental Industries, says that the loss of HC&S was “a crushing blow. We had a
partnership that went back over 100 years.” He declines to state specifics, but concedes
that “the numbers are big.”

Asked whether Maui’s small-scale farmers, who have piggybacked on HC&S’s bulk
purchases, will also feel the loss, Heyd says, “That’s accurate. We’ve been bringing in
whole containers. Now we may have   to go to smaller quantities from our Honolulu operation.”
For Brewer and for Maui, this financial blow is just now striking.

Also, HC&S has been a prominent contributor to community causes and nonprofits such
as Maui United Way and Maui Arts & Cultural Center. But Benjamin of A&B pledged last
January that his company “remains committed to Maui and will continue to be a significant
corporate supporter of Maui charities and organizations.” The company’s message has been
consistent: this is not an end but the beginning of an uncertain transition.

https://www.mauimagazine.net/maui-sugarcane/2/

Usually easier to talk about the forest and forget all the trees that were toppled around the fringes.  It's not just the industry that passes, but the things a huge and successful business helped to bring to others around them.

the answer is the imperialist imperialism by the imperialistic power okole...

Be careful of what you wish for...

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https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=42192.msg459412#msg459412

Yeah, he tells people of his "fire", but does he remember this.  He should.

Media blackout of Lahaina?

https://twitter.com/CygnusGeoff/status/1695603553195458833

Footage of some burned car remains at Lahaina

https://twitter.com/CygnusGeoff/status/1695260019518996918

Who is controlling access to West Maui?

https://twitter.com/CygnusGeoff/status/1691593173943087168

Placards for access to their homes, being shut down by “powers that be” (no one knows who is giving the orders)

https://twitter.com/CygnusGeoff/status/1691568600824574463