how come no one is discussing vivek? (Read 10745 times)

QUIETShooter

Re: how come no one is discussing vivek?
« Reply #40 on: August 28, 2023, 09:57:42 AM »
Not a deal breaker but there are 2 things that makes me wary about vivek:

1) He talks too fast
2) He talks too much
3) He tries to talk over you not to you

Did I say 2 things?  Ok.  There was 3.

Ever listened to a multi level marketing pitch?  Or a timeshare presentation?

That's the impression I get from vivek.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Kuleana

Re: how come no one is discussing vivek?
« Reply #41 on: August 28, 2023, 10:10:04 AM »
Treasures?  It's military equipment,  not some mythical objects.... we pay ourselves to make more and we give them our old stuff.
Thats sounds what a supporter of the Congressional-Military-Industrial Complex would say.



Refreshing our inventory and making us stronger.  We can soon have manufacturering back to proper levels.
The US empire's military budget has been the largest on this planet for decades.  If the current level of expenditures is still not sufficient, adding more does not make any sense in light of the many other facets that money could be used to benefit its citizenry domestically.



I'm not pro all war,  I'm pro democracy and freedom.  And sometimes you need war to protect those ideals.
That sounds like the 21st century rendition justifying the imperial wars of aggression that the US empire has partaken since WWII.

In the words of Major General Smedley Darlington Butler, “There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights.”  Since WWII, none of the conflicts partaken by the US imperial military had anything to do with the national defense or the preservation of the Bill of Rights.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: how come no one is discussing vivek?
« Reply #42 on: August 28, 2023, 10:51:54 AM »
Treasures?  It's military equipment,  not some mythical objects.... we pay ourselves to make more and we give them our old stuff.   Refreshing our inventory  and making us stronger.  We can soon have manufacturering back to proper levels.   I'm not pro all war,  I'm pro democracy and freedom.  And sometimes you need war to protect those ideals.

Treasure is a noun -- it means something of wealth.  Is the US Treasury a myth, too?

If we send cash to Ukraine, that's treasure.

If we send them free or discounted military, agricultural or technological goods which were paid for from the treasury, it's no different than sending cash -- same source of payment.

Have you never heard the phrase "blood and treasure" with regard to war and other military operations?  There's a cost to those efforts, and it's usually measured in human life, life-changing injuries, and taxes being sent to fight enemies -- declared or not -- on foreign soil.

If you think we only send old military supplies and equipment while replenishing with new, you're delusional.  The topic of military logistics and funding for ongoing operations is a liitle more complicated than you seem to believe.  Let's just say that we expended more than we could ever produce during the decades in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and all the foreign missions and operations we have going on in allied countries.

Our military just doesn't have all their stuff in warehouses waiting for war.  Training and exercises, both ours and with allied forces, use that equipment and supplies every single year. 

Apparently you've never been in the military.  Even the lowest of ranks is familiar with the constant consumption, replacement and acquisition of new gear and supplies, as well as the number of ways the government has to recycle, dispose of and offer to the public, and yes give to some foreign allies, things they no longer need.

Do you really think Ukraine is fighting a nuclear super power using our hand-me-downs?   :rofl:
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zippz

Re: how come no one is discussing vivek?
« Reply #43 on: August 28, 2023, 11:21:25 AM »
I don't know much about Viveks past, but I'm wary of people like him that rely on charisma and speeches vs past history and policies.

At least Trump had a long history of success in the business world and the tough guy attitude, and he brought that to the Presidency.

ren

Re: how come no one is discussing vivek?
« Reply #44 on: August 28, 2023, 11:34:10 AM »
Charisma is important. Take a note of that.
Deeds Not Words

macsak

Re: how come no one is discussing vivek?
« Reply #45 on: August 28, 2023, 12:34:27 PM »

QUIETShooter

Re: how come no one is discussing vivek?
« Reply #46 on: August 28, 2023, 02:53:42 PM »
I don't know much about Viveks past, but I'm wary of people like him that rely on charisma and speeches vs past history and policies.

At least Trump had a long history of success in the business world and the tough guy attitude, and he brought that to the Presidency.

Trump was criticized for claiming he will run the country like he ran his businesses. The swamp critters who were terrified of him said it would never work.

Well, it wasn't a perfect presidency but a lot of people liked the direction it was heading.  In my opinion better than the disaster we are in now.

I loved it when he told the NATO pukes that they better start paying their fair share of this Alliance.  And how he stood up to rocket man and rocket man blinked.  Then they became besties, lol!

The powers that be are afraid of him.  And rightfully so.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Jl808

how come no one is discussing vivek?
« Reply #47 on: August 28, 2023, 04:59:29 PM »


This Vivek interview is interesting beyond the title put by MSNBC about Vivek calling Trump a “sore loser”.  I have not yet read the book, but the title of this video seems pretty misleading.  But what can you expect from MSNBC?
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Kuleana

Re: how come no one is discussing vivek?
« Reply #48 on: August 28, 2023, 05:32:52 PM »
The powers that be are afraid of him.  And rightfully so.
Your statement is a little misleading.

The US empire's oligarchs and ultrawealthy that really control America are not that afraid of him as they can give Trump the Kennedy solution anytime, they want, if he deviates from their plans to subjugate the rest of the World by any means necessary via their non-stop printing of US imperial toilet paper.

Sovereign countries like and Russia and China are not afraid of Trump either as they cautiously suspected and now know that Trump was/is not an imperialist looking to militarily dominate the planet but continue to pursue his nation's interest by economic and non-military means.  Both Putin and Xi can live with an America that is not afraid of being part of a multipolar World that Trump would gladly be invited to partake.

Brystont1

Re: how come no one is discussing vivek?
« Reply #49 on: August 28, 2023, 11:40:18 PM »
I had heard about him a little before the debate, that he was full of energy and a good talker. Wasn't that impressed in the debate. He has already been caught giving completely opposite statements on issues. He had some interesting stances in the debate but I kind of agree with one person who said he was like a snake oil salesman.

Where has he been caught giving completely opposite statements on issues?

eyeeatingfish

Re: how come no one is discussing vivek?
« Reply #50 on: August 29, 2023, 01:08:53 PM »
Where has he been caught giving completely opposite statements on issues?

Let me go look it up, I heard it on the radio so I don't know the exact source.

Found this clip, he says climate change agenda is a hoax  in the debate but a few months ago he said climate change is real and in part due to human activity in an interview.
 
https://twitter.com/NvrBackDown24/status/1694526028276809823?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1694526028276809823%7Ctwgr%5Ef9ed62d351473bf70bf8ac2470b1336252e43da8%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.snopes.com%2Fnews%2F2023%2F08%2F24%2Fvivek-ramaswamy-climate-change%2F

zippz

Re: how come no one is discussing vivek?
« Reply #51 on: August 29, 2023, 01:21:18 PM »
Let me go look it up, I heard it on the radio so I don't know the exact source.

Found this clip, he says climate change agenda is a hoax  in the debate but a few months ago he said climate change is real and in part due to human activity in an interview.
 
https://twitter.com/NvrBackDown24/status/1694526028276809823?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1694526028276809823%7Ctwgr%5Ef9ed62d351473bf70bf8ac2470b1336252e43da8%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.snopes.com%2Fnews%2F2023%2F08%2F24%2Fvivek-ramaswamy-climate-change%2F

That was an odd thing I noticed in the debate.  He says I'm the only one .on the stage that isn't bought or paid for so I can say climate change is a hoax.

I dunno what he means by that cause no one on the stage is pushing climate change.  And I doubt any of the green companies are endorsing them either.

It's stuff like this that makes me leary of him.  Saying stuff that sounds good.

QUIETShooter

Re: how come no one is discussing vivek?
« Reply #52 on: August 29, 2023, 02:07:26 PM »
He reminds me of the 1971 Hit Song "Smiling Faces Sometimes" by the Temptations.

The song discusses that sometimes a smiling face does not always tell the truth.

This guy better watch out.  He can fall just as fast in the polls as he rose.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

changemyoil66

Re: how come no one is discussing vivek?
« Reply #53 on: August 29, 2023, 03:16:49 PM »
That was an odd thing I noticed in the debate.  He says I'm the only one .on the stage that isn't bought or paid for so I can say climate change is a hoax.

I dunno what he means by that cause no one on the stage is pushing climate change.  And I doubt any of the green companies are endorsing them either.

It's stuff like this that makes me leary of him.  Saying stuff that sounds good.

THe vids that I have seen, he says stuff that I can 100% agree with.  This makes me very suspicious. Also cause I never bothered to look into his background at all. Like Trump, everyone knows he's a business man doing business.

ren

Re: how come no one is discussing vivek?
« Reply #54 on: August 29, 2023, 04:14:58 PM »
Hubris is what is fueling climate change. Humans think they are bigger than the world around them.
Deeds Not Words

Jl808

how come no one is discussing vivek?
« Reply #55 on: August 29, 2023, 05:55:33 PM »
This interview with Jordan Peterson is very interesting concerning his candidacy and views.

He talks about climate change agenda and ESGs quite thoroughly in this interview, as well as his background of where he came from.   

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eyeeatingfish

Re: how come no one is discussing vivek?
« Reply #56 on: August 29, 2023, 08:45:01 PM »
That was an odd thing I noticed in the debate.  He says I'm the only one .on the stage that isn't bought or paid for so I can say climate change is a hoax.

I dunno what he means by that cause no one on the stage is pushing climate change.  And I doubt any of the green companies are endorsing them either.

It's stuff like this that makes me leary of him.  Saying stuff that sounds good.

Agreed.
Plus it is a pretty personal attack, to basically say that all your opponents are corrupt.

eyeeatingfish

Re: how come no one is discussing vivek?
« Reply #57 on: August 29, 2023, 08:47:34 PM »
This interview with Jordan Peterson is very interesting concerning his candidacy and views.

He talks about climate change agenda and ESGs quite thoroughly in this interview, as well as his background of where he came from.   



I listened to this and nothing really stood out to me positive or negative.  It was a little refreshing because it is long form and Jordan Peterson tends to ask questions differently, goes to areas that normal political interviews don't usually venture.

Brystont1

Re: how come no one is discussing vivek?
« Reply #58 on: August 29, 2023, 09:15:07 PM »
Let me go look it up, I heard it on the radio so I don't know the exact source.

Found this clip, he says climate change agenda is a hoax  in the debate but a few months ago he said climate change is real and in part due to human activity in an interview.
 
https://twitter.com/NvrBackDown24/status/1694526028276809823?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1694526028276809823%7Ctwgr%5Ef9ed62d351473bf70bf8ac2470b1336252e43da8%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.snopes.com%2Fnews%2F2023%2F08%2F24%2Fvivek-ramaswamy-climate-change%2F

Climate change agenda and climate change are 2 different things. Both can be true at the same time. We can recognize that the climate is changing and also recognize that the policies to fight climate change is a hoax to grab power and regulate certain industries.

eyeeatingfish

Re: how come no one is discussing vivek?
« Reply #59 on: August 29, 2023, 09:22:59 PM »
Climate change agenda and climate change are 2 different things. Both can be true at the same time. We can recognize that the climate is changing and also recognize that the policies to fight climate change is a hoax to grab power and regulate certain industries.

I was thinking about whether that is what he meant or not. In the debate he really didn't go into the weeds at all to explain that subtle distinction though. At this level though it seems like a distinction without a difference. The climate change agenda (whatever that means?) would cover a very wide range of things. Energy consumption reduction, alternative energies, carbon capture, carbon offset, etc etc etc. To simply say that climate change agenda is a hoax with not explanation implies that none of it is true. So for him to say climate change is real and in part due to human activity but then say any attempts to fight it are lies doesn't really jive.

Maybe he will address it later to explain what he meant or try to walk back some of it.