attention Joe Biden voters (Read 20994 times)

eyeeatingfish

Re: attention Joe Biden voters
« Reply #20 on: September 17, 2023, 03:18:29 AM »
Under Trump, the US had become energy independent.

Under Biden, we now are slaves to the foreign oil producing nations -- again.

Thanks, you 81 million idiots who voted for the "lessor [sic] of two evils."

That depends how one defines energy independence.
We never stopped importing oil under Trump, we just exported more energy than imported. That is why this is a misleading headline. 
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2021/11/14/is-the-us-energy-independent/?sh=2a428ea51387

Acting like energy independence is the big marker in whether one president is better than another is very short sighted.
Don't pretend like it is an obvious decision to pick between a corrupt candidate with dementia and an authoritarian candidate with terrible morals.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: attention Joe Biden voters
« Reply #21 on: September 17, 2023, 06:29:25 AM »
That depends how one defines energy independence.
We never stopped importing oil under Trump, we just exported more energy than imported. That is why this is a misleading headline. 
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2021/11/14/is-the-us-energy-independent/?sh=2a428ea51387

Acting like energy independence is the big marker in whether one president is better than another is very short sighted.
Don't pretend like it is an obvious decision to pick between a corrupt candidate with dementia and an authoritarian candidate with terrible morals.

Trump Just Achieved What Every President
Since Nixon Had Promised: Energy Independence

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Energy Security: Last week, the U.S. exported more oil than we imported, for the first time
in 70-plus years. And it happened not because of decades of federal "energy policies," but
despite them.

Since Richard Nixon was in the White House, presidents have pushed national energy
plans that, they said, would reduce the country's dependence on foreign oil. These plans
all had one thing in common — they all assumed that increased domestic oil production
couldn't solve the problem.

Instead, from Nixon on down, Republican and Democratic presidents declared that the only
way to achieve energy independence was through some combination of strict conservation
measures and "alternative" forms of energy.
...
Then President Donald Trump took office and announced a radical departure from 50 years
of received energy "wisdom." In a speech to the Energy Department months after taking office,
he said that for decades leaders peddled the myth of energy scarcity. Most of it is self-imposed,
he said. What the country needs, he said, isn't "alternative" energy, or new austerity measures.
It's a government that "promotes energy development." Trump listed actions he was taking to
lift federal impediments to energy production.

Lo and behold, Trump was right.
https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/energy-independence-trump/

If you think oil and energy are not the number one factor in every single developed nation's economy, then you need to go study history.

Every President since Nixon has promised energy independence for the US, but only one achieved it:  Trump.  Why would they all promise something that wasn't something they wanted to hang their hats on?  Reality trumps your opinion.

You can try to argue that importing less oil than we export is misleading, but you'd be wrong.  if the net is that we produce more than we buy, then we could stop selling AND buying -- only consuming what we produce -- hence being 100% energy independent.

The fact that other countries still sell to us is in part due to maintaining a global market that's stable and not being used to cripple smaller nations that have no oil of their own.  We have to buy from big producers, or they lose a vital, large customer which can be devastating to their economies.

Besides, there are a variety of types of oils extracted, products and by-products created through refinement and other things that we can have done cheaper by others.  Our biggest issue is lack of refining facilities to keep up with demand.  Part of that is because we've been buying from others for so long and stifling our own production, there's not been the demand to support more refineries.  It's like doubling the amount of fish suddenly showing up at market but not having enough refrigeration to keep the meat from spoiling.  More refrigeration can be built, but it takes time, capital and a long term projection saying the demand will continue to increase.

Biden killed energy production here.  in fact, he just this month revoked additional drilling permits in Alaska.

2021:  Biden administration suspends new oil, gas drilling permits on federal land
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/biden-administration-suspends-new-oil-gas-drilling-permits-on-federal-land-01611276375

2022:  Biden Administration Halts New Drilling in Legal Fight Over Climate Costs
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/20/climate/carbon-biden-drilling-climate.html

2023: Biden to Cancel Arctic Oil Drilling Rights Sold by Trump
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-09-06/biden-to-cancel-alaskan-arctic-oil-drilling-rights-sold-by-trump#xj4y7vzkg

Then there are the pipeline projects he cancelled.  Biden has done nothing but make the US more and more dependent on foreign energy and before any "alternatives" have been developed and put in place.  Only one new nuclear power plant has come online since Biden took office, and that was this year.  The last one prior to that was 7 years ago.
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/07/a-new-nuclear-reactor-in-the-us-starts-up-for-first-time-in-seven-years.html

Remember all this when California and New York start their rolling blackouts again this Winter, and customers can't afford their electric bills.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: attention Joe Biden voters
« Reply #22 on: September 18, 2023, 04:42:16 AM »
No doubt that Biden isn't friendly towards domestic energy production, I just think claiming that we were energy independent under Trump isn't really accurate. If we are importing energy I think it hard to say we are truly independent.

oldfart

Re: attention Joe Biden voters
« Reply #23 on: September 18, 2023, 05:50:04 AM »
In my email inbox this morning....
≈=====
Hi Deborah, it’s Diana, the Research Director here at the DSCC.

I’m reaching out because even after multiple indictments and pushing our democracy to the brink, Donald Trump is still statistically tied with Joe Biden in the polls!

We need to know that Democrats everywhere are prepared to stand against Donald Trump -- because it’s going to take all of us to keep him from inflicting four more years of misery on the country.

We’ve launched our Official 2024 Straw Poll to make sure our grassroots team is prepared to take on Donald Trump once again, but I just checked our records and didn't see your response
======
 :rofl:
What, Me Worry?

changemyoil66

Re: attention Joe Biden voters
« Reply #24 on: September 18, 2023, 08:21:49 AM »
No doubt that Biden isn't friendly towards domestic energy production, I just think claiming that we were energy independent under Trump isn't really accurate. If we are importing energy I think it hard to say we are truly independent.

Wasn't the Dakota Pipeline so we could break away from Russian oil?  Like a HUGE % of it.  But then Biden undid that XO within a week into office.

eyeeatingfish

Re: attention Joe Biden voters
« Reply #25 on: September 19, 2023, 05:00:55 AM »
Wasn't the Dakota Pipeline so we could break away from Russian oil?  Like a HUGE % of it.  But then Biden undid that XO within a week into office.

I don't know if the Dakota Pipeline was specifically for that or not. IIRC it wasn't an additional source of oil, just another route for oil to take to the refinery so I don't know it would have meant less imports from Russia.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: attention Joe Biden voters
« Reply #26 on: September 19, 2023, 09:32:18 AM »
Wasn't the Dakota Pipeline so we could break away from Russian oil?  Like a HUGE % of it.  But then Biden undid that XO within a week into office.

I think you're talking about the Keystone XL pipeline.

U.S. Loses, Russia And China Win With Keystone XL Closure
https://www.forbes.com/sites/arielcohen/2021/06/10/us-loses-russia-and-china-win-with-keystone-xl-closure/?sh=692d63f97a44
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

ren

Re: attention Joe Biden voters
« Reply #27 on: September 21, 2023, 07:02:08 AM »
Deeds Not Words

changemyoil66

Re: attention Joe Biden voters
« Reply #28 on: September 21, 2023, 08:35:13 AM »
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=51164.0

bruh, you just brought back into the "gun violence" topic. "violence".

changemyoil66

Re: attention Joe Biden voters
« Reply #29 on: September 21, 2023, 08:35:35 AM »
I think you're talking about the Keystone XL pipeline.

U.S. Loses, Russia And China Win With Keystone XL Closure
https://www.forbes.com/sites/arielcohen/2021/06/10/us-loses-russia-and-china-win-with-keystone-xl-closure/?sh=692d63f97a44

Yup, that's it. Thanks.

astroboy

Re: attention Joe Biden voters
« Reply #30 on: September 24, 2023, 02:55:44 PM »

Flapp_Jackson

Re: attention Joe Biden voters
« Reply #31 on: September 24, 2023, 03:42:21 PM »
This lady got it right.

Rose is pretty smart.

Wasn't she on the Titanic, too?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

ren

Re: attention Joe Biden voters
« Reply #32 on: September 25, 2023, 06:12:24 PM »
Deeds Not Words

Flapp_Jackson

Re: attention Joe Biden voters
« Reply #34 on: September 26, 2023, 10:11:08 AM »
The leader of the free world?  Putin is giggling ...

Biden's 2024 team is on a mission to
stop him from tripping amid struggle
with 'significant spinal arthritis'

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President Biden's campaign team is on a mission to prevent him from tripping in public as the 80-year-old continues to struggle with a diagnosis of "significant spinal arthritis."

The White House physician made the diagnosis earlier this year, and Biden has since had multiple public tripping incidents that have only compounded questions about his age. Now, his team has made a conscious effort to make him wear tennis shoes and limit stair climbs to prevent another embarrassing fall, Axios reported Tuesday.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bidens-2024-team-mission-stop-him-tripping-struggle-significant-spinal-arthritis
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

QUIETShooter

Re: attention Joe Biden voters
« Reply #35 on: September 26, 2023, 10:30:24 AM »
Maybe they can install those wheelchair lift things on Air Force One (that would be interesting :rofl:) and Marine One and all the Presidential limousines just like the Handi-Van here in Hawaii.

Or maybe just send a used Handi-Van over to the White House.  Cheaper.

Also his handlers should make him do squats in the morning when he gets up.  Stop babying that old geezer.  Strengthen him.  Not baby him.

Everything this current administration does is stupid.

edited to add: Just noticed I overlooked they are having him do physical therapy.  That was stupid.  Of me for not noticing that.
« Last Edit: September 26, 2023, 10:38:15 AM by QUIETShooter »
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: attention Joe Biden voters
« Reply #36 on: September 26, 2023, 12:15:50 PM »
Maybe they can install those wheelchair lift things on Air Force One (that would be interesting :rofl:) and Marine One and all the Presidential limousines just like the Handi-Van here in Hawaii.

Or maybe just send a used Handi-Van over to the White House.  Cheaper.

Also his handlers should make him do squats in the morning when he gets up.  Stop babying that old geezer.  Strengthen him.  Not baby him.

Everything this current administration does is stupid.

edited to add: Just noticed I overlooked they are having him do physical therapy.  That was stupid.  Of me for not noticing that.

I was thinking they could just wheel him onto the catering truck lift, so he can  have his ice cream as they raise and lower him to the tarmac.

If it were not a security issue, they could have AF One taxi up to a gangway like a normal commercial flight, but that would be impossible to secure.

There are many other options that would be safer ....


The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

oldfart

Re: attention Joe Biden voters
« Reply #37 on: September 26, 2023, 06:00:59 PM »
 :rofl: :rofl:

...Chair-force One!
What, Me Worry?

eyeeatingfish

Re: attention Joe Biden voters
« Reply #38 on: September 26, 2023, 09:58:07 PM »
The leader of the free world?  Putin is giggling ...


So a physical disability makes him unfit to be president?

changemyoil66

Re: attention Joe Biden voters
« Reply #39 on: September 27, 2023, 09:14:24 PM »
So a physical disability makes him unfit to be president?
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