What I was getting at with that comment was the ironic idea of you advising people on this forum to watch what they post…

BTW, it’s unlawful in most states to use deadly force to defend property.

Yes and no.

In basically all states, you can use non-deadly force to defend your property—
and if the thief or vandal responds by threatening you with death or great bodily
harm, you can then protect yourself with deadly force.

So in practice, you can use deadly force to protect property after all, if you're
willing to use non-deadly force first and expose yourself to increased risk.

https://reason.com/volokh/2020/06/02/are-people-allowed-to-use-deadly-force-to-defend-property/

So in other words,
IF someone is damaging, trespassing on, or stealing your property,
AND IF you attempt to use non-deadly force to stop them (I imagine direct confrontation, physical altercation, etc.),
AND IF they threaten you with death or grave bodily harm,
THEN you can defend your property with deadly force.

In effect you are defending yourself, but actually you are defending your property with non-lethal force.

When the perpetrator responds by escalating, you then have justification to also escalate.
 
I think the lesson here is to avoid protecting your property unless you know you can kick their ass or you know they will resort to deadly force first.  If you get your ass kicked, and the other person/s doesn't cross the line to "threatening death or grave bodily harm," then you're just going to have to take that ass kicking.

Yes and no.
https://reason.com/volokh/2020/06/02/are-people-allowed-to-use-deadly-force-to-defend-property/

So in other words,
IF someone is damaging, trespassing on, or stealing your property,
AND IF you attempt to use non-deadly force to stop them (I imagine direct confrontation, physical altercation, etc.),
AND IF they threaten you with death or grave bodily harm,
THEN you can defend your property with deadly force.

In effect you are defending yourself, but actually you are defending your property with non-lethal force.

When the perpetrator responds by escalating, you then have justification to also escalate.
 
I think the lesson here is to avoid protecting your property unless you know you can kick their ass or you know they will resort to deadly force first.  If you get your ass kicked, and the other person/s doesn't cross the line to "threatening death or grave bodily harm," then you're just going to have to take that ass kicking.

Soooo… in most states, it’s unlawful to defend property with deadly force.

Soooo… in most states, it’s unlawful to defend property with deadly force.

Swoosh!

Potato, tomahto.

Yep.  And that's why people are so angry and frustrated as to what is happening down there at the southern border.  Property owners don't feel safe as these migrants illegally pass through their property.  Not all of them are criminals.  Not all of them are terrorists.  But how does the property owners know that?

Tempers flare, misunderstandings ensue (especially with language barriers, who the f*ck knows what each is saying) and somebody might get killed or injured.

All unnecessary.  And the biden administration has the audacity to say they are doing everything they can to control the border.

First thing that idiot did was undo all the restrictions imposed by the previous administration.  A more mature and sensible person would at least review what works and what doesn't but no, the asshat takes the photo op opportunity to have the American people see him undoing all the restrictions while his ass kissing cohorts look on in glee.

I've never seen a politician so "bought for" lock, stock, and barrel in my life.

please show how anyone here is not paying attention...

"please show how anyone here is not paying attention..."

I know we pay attention!
But the problem is the government here
knows you are pussies.
You go along to get along.
As long as you keep doing that
you are Fuked.
I can jump on an airplane,
go to  my other home and shoot things like targets without
being harassed.
Why am I more special than you?
You won't stand up for your rights!
Haole guys do.
Learn from the white guys - fight
tyranny.
 

"please show how anyone here is not paying attention..."

I know we pay attention!
But the problem is the government here
knows you are pussies.
You go along to get along.
As long as you keep doing that
you are Fuked.
I can jump on an airplane,
go to  my other home and shoot things like targets without
being harassed.
Why am I more special than you?
You won't stand up for your rights!
Haole guys do.
Learn from the white guys - fight
tyranny.
 

U only shoot where they allow u to shoot. Once again, u are receiving permission from mastah.

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ok, so you run away to the mainland
way to stick it to the man...

"please show how anyone here is not paying attention..."

I know we pay attention!
But the problem is the government here
knows you are pussies.
You go along to get along.
As long as you keep doing that
you are Fuked.
I can jump on an airplane,
go to  my other home and shoot things like targets without
being harassed.
Why am I more special than you?
You won't stand up for your rights!
Haole guys do.
Learn from the white guys - fight
tyranny.
 

ok, so you run away to the mainland
way to stick it to the man...

He had to get mastah's permission to go to the mainland.

Since one needs an ID to fly, he had to show the government proof of who he is. Then pay them to get his ID to valid who he says he is.

Then booking the flight, he had to use a  credit or debit card. And if its a credit card, he had to provide a credit score.

U get where im going with this. Mastah is everywhere.

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When it all starts coming unglued we'll be longing for the good old days or relative peace and order. And affordable plane tickets.

Now that prominent big city libs across the country are parroting "racist right wing talking points" about their illegal immigration problems it means things are accelerating.

ok, so you run away to the mainland
way to stick it to the man...

I've given up on Hawaii politics.
Sorry.
I can't vote here anymore.
My wife can. But I don't do her ballot
she does.
 

He had to get mastah's permission to go to the mainland.

Since one needs an ID to fly, he had to show the government proof of who he is. Then pay them to get his ID to valid who he says he is.

Then booking the flight, he had to use a  credit or debit card. And if its a credit card, he had to provide a credit score.

U get where im going with this. Mastah is everywhere.

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While I deeply share your disgust
of all the government crap "papers"
I' was crawling over nukes when I was 18.
B-52s Minot AFB ND.
I've had to write letters to the NSA, FAA, VA and
Lord knows who else due to my Fukups.
I've been under a microscope my entire life.
Unless you do a Galt and go totally "off Grid"
you have to deal with the "man".
 

While I deeply share your disgust
of all the government crap "papers"
I' was crawling over nukes when I was 18.
B-52s Minot AFB ND.
I've had to write letters to the NSA, FAA, VA and
Lord knows who else due to my Fukups.
I've been under a microscope my entire life.
Unless you do a Galt and go totally "off Grid"
you have to deal with the "man".
 

It does seem to me that ragging on others for "asking the state's permission" regarding anything, including buying or carrying firearms, is a bit dishonest on your part.

Maybe take a break from blaming the victims? 

There's only so much one can do in a state where the vast majority affiliate with the ruling political party.  And apparently we are one voter less now, thanks to you.

Just sayin'.

Shooting them may not be the best idea, but how are they going to send them all back to where they came from???

Shooting them may not be the best idea, but how are they going to send them all back to where they came from???

Not our job to relocate anyone.  We simply deny them entry in the first place.  That's what Trump was doing with Mexico's assistance.  Mexico was letting the illegals stay in Mexico pending their US refugee status decision.

That was much less appealing to the illegals, many of whom decided it's not worth the trip if they can't hang out in the US.

You don't fix a leaky boat by buying more pumps to put the water back into the ocean.  You plug the holes to stop the water from getting in at all.

It does seem to me that ragging on others for "asking the state's permission" regarding anything, including buying or carrying firearms, is a bit dishonest on your part.

Maybe take a break from blaming the victims? 

There's only so much one can do in a state where the vast majority affiliate with the ruling political party.  And apparently we are one voter less now, thanks to you.

Just sayin'.

Y'all know I respect your opinions.
I blame victims that can do something and don't.
I did something.
I don't live on Oahu, so my opinions
didn't count for squat.
What are you going to do FJ?
 

Y'all know I respect your opinions.
I blame victims that can do something and don't.
I did something.
I don't live on Oahu, so my opinions
didn't count for squat.
What are you going to do FJ?
 

I plead the 5th.

That information is on a need-to-know basis.

 

Biden was bragging how he's increased the amount of time someone must wait to reenter the US after deportation for crossing the border illegally.

What makes him think he can stop those people from returning?  They didn't stop them the first time -- or the second -- etc.

It's kind of hard to enforce those time requirements when the border is wide open and border patrol is being overrun.