This looks like a drive-by post, but I'm so dumbfounded I can't say anything.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/11/federal-court-strikes-down-illinois-ban-on-carrying-concealed-weapons/

Illinois, mind you.... Illinois !

Judge Richard Posner wrote in the court's majority opinion that the state "had to provide us with more than merely a rational basis for believing that its uniquely sweeping ban is justified by an increase in public safety. It has failed to meet this burden."

He continued: "The theoretical and empirical evidence (which overall is inconclusive) is consistent with concluding that a right to carry firearms in public may promote self-defense."

Terry, 230RN

That's good stuff right there!  Now hoping that Hawaii, can follow suit.

Yeah, there's another thread on this in Legal and Activism at

http://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=5128.msg49199;boardseen#new

which, since I was all a-twitter and hand-fluttery about it, I did not see before I started this thread.

That one started about 2 1/2 hours before this one.  Sorry.   

Terry "Giggling like a schoolgirl," 230RN

That's good stuff right there!  Now hoping that Hawaii, can follow suit.

Illinois is the last state to completely deny all rights to concealed carry.  Hawaii has concealed carry, but is subjective and discriminatory.  I expect Illinois to adopt a similar law to Hawaii's, enabling them to control who gets to carry.

Illinois is the last state to completely deny all rights to concealed carry.  Hawaii has concealed carry, but is subjective and discriminatory.  I expect Illinois to adopt a similar law to Hawaii's, enabling them to control who gets to carry.

You probably couldn't be more wrong (and I would almost bet on it).  You could probably expect to walk away with a *very* strong shall issue system in Illinois.

You probably couldn't be more wrong (and I would almost bet on it).  You could probably expect to walk away with a *very* strong shall issue system in Illinois.

Which I'm crossing my fingers, happens.  If it does, it's thanks to you, and your team.

You probably couldn't be more wrong (and I would almost bet on it).  You could probably expect to walk away with a *very* strong shall issue system in Illinois.

I hope you are right.  Im still never moving back to IL though, they arent NFA friendly.

i'm more looking forward to when we're able to own nfa items and no magazine cap limits.  Sbr's, sbs', suppressors, 15 round glock magazines...mmmmmmm.

i'm more looking forward to when we're able to own nfa items and no magazine cap limits.  Sbr's, sbs', suppressors, 15 round glock magazines...mmmmmmm.

We can dream, right? 

We can dream, right? 

Just before the Colorado theather shooting, there was legislation going around to revise the wording in the current law regarding magazine capacity from 10 max to something like "the capacity that the firearms was originally designed for" (I don't know the exact wording, but that's the spirit of it).  My understanding was that it was moving forward pretty well when the Colorado shooting happened, so the people behind the bill sort of decided to lay low for a while.  At least that was what a couple of the legislators who were involved told us at an HRA event. 

Hopefully we can get the mag capacity restriction eliminated, then CCW and then NFA stuff like suppressors.   

Which I'm crossing my fingers, happens.  If it does, it's thanks to you, and your team.

ISRA is doing well.  Here is their press release type message, cautioning the anti-gunners to not even try to screw around, because they are not having it.



The ISRA is warning gun control advocates in the Illinois General Assembly against trying to hijack today's ruling by the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals regarding the carrying of defensive firearms.  In making that ruling, the court struck down Illinois' prohibition against co-called "concealed carry" as being afoul of the 2nd Amendment and, therefore, unconstitutional.  The court has given the state 180 days to provide relief to citizens who wish to carry defensive firearms.

The ISRA is fully aware that some members of the general assembly will attempt to thwart the intent of the court's ruling by introducing concealed carry bills that contain provisions so strict that few, if any, citizens would actually qualify for a permit.  Still other members of the general assembly will see this ruling as an opportunity to tack gun taxes, gun bans and other unacceptable forms of gun control onto the court-ordered concealed carry legislation.  The ISRA warns such legislators that attempts to undermine the court's intentions could result in renewed litigation.

Read more here: http://www.heraldonline.com/2012/12/11/4478069/isra-warns-illinois-lawmakers.html#storylink=cpy

ISRA is doing well.  Here is their press release type message, cautioning the anti-gunners to not even try to screw around, because they are not having it.



The ISRA is warning gun control advocates in the Illinois General Assembly against trying to hijack today's ruling by the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals regarding the carrying of defensive firearms.  In making that ruling, the court struck down Illinois' prohibition against co-called "concealed carry" as being afoul of the 2nd Amendment and, therefore, unconstitutional.  The court has given the state 180 days to provide relief to citizens who wish to carry defensive firearms.

The ISRA is fully aware that some members of the general assembly will attempt to thwart the intent of the court's ruling by introducing concealed carry bills that contain provisions so strict that few, if any, citizens would actually qualify for a permit.  Still other members of the general assembly will see this ruling as an opportunity to tack gun taxes, gun bans and other unacceptable forms of gun control onto the court-ordered concealed carry legislation.  The ISRA warns such legislators that attempts to undermine the court's intentions could result in renewed litigation.

Read more here: http://www.heraldonline.com/2012/12/11/4478069/isra-warns-illinois-lawmakers.html#storylink=cpy

So, they are preventing exactly what happened here in Hawaii. 

So, they are preventing exactly what happened here in Hawaii. 

They arent preventing anything, Illinois lawmakers will draw this out for a decade.

They arent preventing anything, Illinois lawmakers will draw this out for a decade.

I'm just wondering how you come to this conclusion?  The *ONLY* thing that was preventing IL from being shall issue, was the governor veto.  They didn't have the super majority to pass the legislation.   There is currently a pro-gun majority now in both houses.  If IL does not make a bill, then they become essentially constitutional carry. 

Happy Aloha Friday gang! Here is another article I found:

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2012/dec/12/gun-carry-ban-death-rattle/

[removed article content] - 2aHawaii

I'm just wondering how you come to this conclusion?  The *ONLY* thing that was preventing IL from being shall issue, was the governor veto.  They didn't have the super majority to pass the legislation.   There is currently a pro-gun majority now in both houses.  If IL does not make a bill, then they become essentially constitutional carry. 

Meanwhile, Illinois gun rights groups are committing seppuku over the fact that a all out gun ban/confiscation is being introduced in Illinois...doesnt seem like a very gun friendly legislature now does it?

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