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Tacticoolest

City and County of Honolulu can't enforce all areas sensitive places
« on: October 15, 2023, 03:17:34 PM »
I can go surfing with my gun under my rash guard
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I didn't know about these exceptions below.   

Due to a recent court ruling in Hawai‘i (which is currently being appealed), the City cannot enforce the “sensitive places” law in the following places:

Public parks and beaches

Banks and businesses that serve alcohol for consumption on the premises (though those businesses may still prohibit firearms if they wish)

Parking lots that serve both government buildings and private businesses
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hvybarrels

Re: City and County of Honolulu can't enforce all areas sensitive places
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2023, 03:57:15 PM »
Quote from: Tacticoolest on October 15, 2023, 03:17:34 PM
I can go surfing with my gun under my rash guard
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changemyoil66

Re: City and County of Honolulu can't enforce all areas sensitive places
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2023, 04:54:20 PM »
U left out places open to the public.

But this is state law only. County ordinances still stand.

So if ur on oahu or big island, u cannot go surfing with ur gun.

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Tacticoolest

Re: City and County of Honolulu can't enforce all areas sensitive places
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2023, 08:19:29 PM »
 
U left out places open to the public.

But this is state law only. County ordinances still stand.

So if ur on oahu or big island, u cannot go surfing with ur gun.

Aww, that sucks  :-*.  I'll just jump in my pool then, but I could have done it without my CCW and open carry it too  :D
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hvybarrels

Re: City and County of Honolulu can't enforce all areas sensitive places
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2023, 10:05:22 PM »
Maui good to go? Who’s going to be the first to drop into Jaws while packing heat? First XL Swell of the season is on for tomorrow. Just saying…
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eyeeatingfish

Re: City and County of Honolulu can't enforce all areas sensitive places
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2023, 10:33:35 PM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on October 15, 2023, 04:54:20 PM
U left out places open to the public.

But this is state law only. County ordinances still stand.

So if ur on oahu or big island, u cannot go surfing with ur gun.

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I don't think the city controls the water, but they do control the pathways, parks, etc. So you could probably surf with your gun but you couldn't carry it to the water ;)
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changemyoil66

Re: City and County of Honolulu can't enforce all areas sensitive places
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2023, 08:56:10 AM »
Quote from: eyeeatingfish on October 17, 2023, 10:33:35 PM
I don't think the city controls the water, but they do control the pathways, parks, etc. So you could probably surf with your gun but you couldn't carry it to the water ;)

I guess 1 could take a helicopter ride and get dropped into the water with their board and firearm in a locked case. Then holster u while in the water.  Or they could take a plane and parachute in with their board and locked gun case. Then strap up when in the water.
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Tacticoolest

Re: City and County of Honolulu can't enforce all areas sensitive places
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2023, 08:59:43 AM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on October 18, 2023, 08:56:10 AM
I guess 1 could take a helicopter ride and get dropped into the water with their board and firearm in a locked case. Then holster u while in the water.  Or they could take a plane and parachute in with their board and locked gun case. Then strap up when in the water.

 :D :D  :D
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hvybarrels

Re: City and County of Honolulu can't enforce all areas sensitive places
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2023, 10:08:25 AM »
What are the odds someone made a pwc gun safe yet?

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kkhawaii

Re: City and County of Honolulu can't enforce all areas sensitive places
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2023, 11:38:07 AM »
Can someone please explain where you can carry on oahu? is it only sidewalks? how about when they close the street down for events like chinese new years; spam festival, hoolaulea, halowbaloo etc.?
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changemyoil66

Re: City and County of Honolulu can't enforce all areas sensitive places
« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2023, 02:42:59 PM »
Quote from: kkhawaii on October 19, 2023, 11:38:07 AM
Can someone please explain where you can carry on oahu? is it only sidewalks? how about when they close the street down for events like chinese new years; spam festival, hoolaulea, halowbaloo etc.?

Public sidewalks. Unless they're hosting an event like the Chinese new years block party, Span Festival, etc...

The AG lied when they were asked if this bans everywhere. They said no because you can get permission to carry in certain locations.  THe lawmakers left out the words "default ban" or "automatic ban". But testifiers said it is.
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nalo_b

Re: City and County of Honolulu can't enforce all areas sensitive places
« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2023, 04:23:41 PM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on October 19, 2023, 02:42:59 PM
Public sidewalks. Unless they're hosting an event like the Chinese new years block party, Span Festival, etc...

The AG lied when they were asked if this bans everywhere. They said no because you can get permission to carry in certain locations.  THe lawmakers left out the words "default ban" or "automatic ban". But testifiers said it is.


That's what's crazy about all this. If ccw'ing and you approach someone to ask them if you can carry on their property wouldn't that be breaking the whole concealed law that they had to define?
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changemyoil66

Re: City and County of Honolulu can't enforce all areas sensitive places
« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2023, 05:57:17 PM »
Quote from: nalo_b on October 19, 2023, 04:23:41 PM

That's what's crazy about all this. If ccw'ing and you approach someone to ask them if you can carry on their property wouldn't that be breaking the whole concealed law that they had to define?
Asking if u can ccw and seeing someone ccw are 2 diff things. I often call b4 i go somewhere.

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: City and County of Honolulu can't enforce all areas sensitive places
« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2023, 06:08:07 PM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on October 19, 2023, 05:57:17 PM
Asking if u can ccw and seeing someone ccw are 2 diff things. I often call b4 i go somewhere.

ring-ring

Hello.  Dan's Famous Sushi.

Hi.  Do you allow concealed carry of firearms?

No, we do not.  We are a gun free zone.

Great!  How many people are there now?

Um ... what??   :shake:
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kkhawaii

Re: City and County of Honolulu can't enforce all areas sensitive places
« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2023, 06:41:23 PM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on October 19, 2023, 02:42:59 PM
Public sidewalks. Unless they're hosting an event like the Chinese new years block party, Span Festival, etc...

The AG lied when they were asked if this bans everywhere. They said no because you can get permission to carry in certain locations.  THe lawmakers left out the words "default ban" or "automatic ban". But testifiers said it is.

is this stated in SB1230? i feel like it's too vague, i'm probably missing something.
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changemyoil66

Re: City and County of Honolulu can't enforce all areas sensitive places
« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2023, 07:20:51 PM »
Quote from: kkhawaii on October 19, 2023, 06:41:23 PM
is this stated in SB1230? i feel like it's too vague, i'm probably missing something.
Its whats not stated. Sb1230 doesnt say u can carry on sidewalks. U need to add up all the places u cannot carry. This leaves public sidewalks left.

And of course the other places to keep.

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QUIETShooter

Re: City and County of Honolulu can't enforce all areas sensitive places
« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2023, 07:28:22 PM »
SB1230 was drafted to be clear as mud.

Intentionally.
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RSN172

Re: City and County of Honolulu can't enforce all areas sensitive places
« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2023, 07:49:33 PM »
With all this bullshit,  I give up. No sense get CCW license.  Ainokea already.
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QUIETShooter

Re: City and County of Honolulu can't enforce all areas sensitive places
« Reply #18 on: October 20, 2023, 07:41:33 AM »
Quote from: RSN172 on October 19, 2023, 07:49:33 PM
With all this bullshit,  I give up. No sense get CCW license.  Ainokea already.

Roger that.

Too.  Much. Bullshit.  :grrr:
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changemyoil66

Re: City and County of Honolulu can't enforce all areas sensitive places
« Reply #19 on: October 20, 2023, 08:23:55 AM »
Quote from: RSN172 on October 19, 2023, 07:49:33 PM
With all this bullshit,  I give up. No sense get CCW license.  Ainokea already.

And now under new HI law, a firearms misdemeanor will cost you your 2a right for 20 years.  Carrying in a senstiive place or anywhere without permission is a misdemeanor and not a felony.  Where before SB1230 passed, a firearms misdemeanor doesn't forfeited your 2a right.

Too bad not enough gun owners cared about this bill.
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