Retail Merchants of Hawaii don't want your protection (Read 4635 times)

changemyoil66

Re: Retail Merchants of Hawaii don't want your protection
« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2023, 03:36:34 PM »
The professionals with guns might take an hour talking story and putting on protective gear while the shooter is killing people like at that school in Florida.
How many people could an active shooter kill in in 3 minutes?  I would say easily 50 if it takes place during a Waikiki block party or Black Friday at Ala Moana.  If you add in the people would would be trampled to death while people flee in panic, dozens more would die and I don’t see how cops could get to the shooter while a mob of people fleeing for their lives are headed toward them.  But now, if you had 3 or 4 CCW holders in the area of the shooter, he could be stopped pretty quickly.

I don't think it was during this hearing, but it was brought up that say a CCW holder is 10ft from the active shooter, they could engage easily with minimally endangering others.  Then some anti 2a brought up that the stress will make the CCW holder less accurate and put others in danger.  And there's no way to train for this type of stress.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Retail Merchants of Hawaii don't want your protection
« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2023, 03:38:34 PM »
The professionals with guns might take an hour talking story and putting on protective gear while the shooter is killing people like at that school in Florida.
How many people could an active shooter kill in in 3 minutes?  I would say easily 50 if it takes place during a Waikiki block party or Black Friday at Ala Moana.  If you add in the people would would be trampled to death while people flee in panic, dozens more would die and I don’t see how cops could get to the shooter while a mob of people fleeing for their lives are headed toward them.  But now, if you had 3 or 4 CCW holders in the area of the shooter, he could be stopped pretty quickly.

You're preaching to the choir. 

i'm just stating what the sheep are being told, and they swallow that issue stance without question.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Retail Merchants of Hawaii don't want your protection
« Reply #22 on: November 03, 2023, 03:43:00 PM »
citizens with guns are dangerous
citizens with training and guns are even moar dangerous

"citizens with training and guns are potential targets if and when trigger-happy cops finally arrive on scene."

This anti-public-carry argument never ceases to amaze me.  Why would the anti's be worried about some gun nut trying to engage an active shooter?  if the cops mistake him/her for the shooter, just one less gun nut to have to be terrified of.   :geekdanc:

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Retail Merchants of Hawaii don't want your protection
« Reply #23 on: November 03, 2023, 03:51:39 PM »
"citizens with training and guns are potential targets if and when trigger-happy cops finally arrive on scene."

This anti-public-carry argument never ceases to amaze me.  Why would the anti's be worried about some gun nut trying to engage an active shooter?  if the cops mistake him/her for the shooter, just one less gun nut to have to be terrified of.   :geekdanc:

I was surprised that this was never brought up at all during the test oral or written.  That's why it's important to train on how to respond to LEO after everything is done.  Especially if one is successful in stopping the active shooter, the additional stress. 

Does anyone know if Dickens is OK cause he has been silent ever since he saved the day.  But maybe for legal reasons compared to BJ Baldwin who was very vocal once the Metro declared is self defense.  NV has a castle doctrine which made him immune from civil liability.  And just a few years prior to his shooting, extended it to ones vehicle.

mrgaf

Re: Retail Merchants of Hawaii don't want your protection
« Reply #24 on: November 03, 2023, 04:55:54 PM »
Ahhhhhhh ain’t living is a banana republik just grand? Every day this so called paradise is turning into a pile of shit! Fug em all…. >:D
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aieahound

Re: Retail Merchants of Hawaii don't want your protection
« Reply #25 on: November 03, 2023, 06:19:44 PM »
During test, retail org said they rather see an activr shooter not be stopped by a ccw holder and keep murdering until police arrive.

It would be cool if someone had a video of the actual quote. That's the kind of statement that doesn't age very well.

Hunt that sh!+ down CMO.
Video, written, whatever.
That’s a pretty crazy statement. ( even the jist )  :crazy:

Or Flapp could search it. (Shhh…he can’t see my posts.)
Took me 1.2 seconds to search ….. Do you need us to read it to you, too?
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changemyoil66

Re: Retail Merchants of Hawaii don't want your protection
« Reply #26 on: November 03, 2023, 07:04:54 PM »
Hunt that sh!+ down CMO.
Video, written, whatever.
That’s a pretty crazy statement. ( even the jist )  :crazy:

Or Flapp could search it. (Shhh…he can’t see my posts.)
As i watched live every hearing, i dont got the time to play them all back.

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oldfart

Re: Retail Merchants of Hawaii don't want your protection
« Reply #27 on: November 03, 2023, 07:26:23 PM »
Ahhhhhhh ain’t living is a banana republik just grand? Every day this so called paradise is turning into a pile of shit! Fug em all…. >:D
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Depressing isn't it?
Here is a little observation...
I attended a funeral today and about 30% of the people there had to fly in from Las Vegas.
Next year more of my friends and family are moving away.
I think if I were a young person, I would move away too, but I got too many bananas in this republik.

Tomorrow is National Common-Sense Day.
If the retail merchants had any common sense, they would figure out that we (gun-folk) ain't the problem.
What, Me Worry?

aieahound

Re: Retail Merchants of Hawaii don't want your protection
« Reply #28 on: November 05, 2023, 02:01:42 PM »
As i watched live every hearing, i dont got the time to play them all back.

Someone put Flapp on the mission.

QUIETShooter

Re: Retail Merchants of Hawaii don't want your protection
« Reply #29 on: November 05, 2023, 02:06:46 PM »
As i watched live every hearing, i dont got the time to play them all back.

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No need.  It's pretty clear as to the Retail Merchant's stance on this issue.  Their wishes will one day come true unfortunately.  Just a matter of time.

And once again, time and time again, the blame will be on an inanimate object.  Their illogical fear will be their ultimate demise.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.