Not necessarily. How did an invasion force that large get past the sensors? The explanations I’ve heard so far don’t add up.

The world seems to be run by a handful of psychopaths who regard the rest of us as irrelevant

Exactly how large was that "invasion force?"

Give me the actual number, not some "according to what I saw in the videos" count.

Exactly how large was that "invasion force?"

Give me the actual number, not some "according to what I saw in the videos" count.

According to IDF soldiers the sensors pick up anything bird size or larger. There’s no way a human, much less several hundred heavily armed humans and vehicles should have been able to sneak across undetected.

Israel is run by assholes who are exactly the type that would sacrifice their own people to gain more territory

It was a blitz assault -- well planned and well executed.

Sounds like a lesson in relying heavily on technology and automated system.  If Israel is using cellular technology to network defense and alert systems with soldiers, and the cellular network is disrupted ...

In the early hours of October 7, Hamas militants used bulldozers and bombs
to breach the barriers in about 30 places, many driving through the gaping
holes on motorcycles and in cars. Some sailed over the barrier in paragliders.

The first wave of attackers started with a few simple tactics to defeat the smart
defenses and keep the alarms from sounding and the guns from firing. First,
they fired on the easily identifiable cameras and other sensors and automated
machine guns, disabling them. They blew up the three prominent command and
communications towers built into the wall with explosives launched on small
projectiles or dropped from drones. If any alerts were triggered, they apparently
didn't make it to a major military command center.

Nor, apparently, were local military outposts warned; many soldiers at the outposts
were killed in their beds, presumably oblivious to the attack. Warning calls probably
never reached them or other Israeli outposts and command centers because Hamas
was jamming cellphone communications coming out of the border area. The militants
may well have used commercial handheld jammers, available online for as little as
$800. These devices use a simple technique to disrupt signals: Blasting out electronic
noise on the frequencies used by cellphone carriers. "It's one of the first rules of warfare,"
says Brookings' Nelson. "Take out the enemy's communications."

Once the militants passed through the barriers, there would be little need to worry
about triggering other sensors or automated weapons—all the defenses were aimed
at the Gaza side of the border.
....
It wasn't just Hamas fighters coming unimpeded across the border. A barrage of as
many as 5,000 missiles fired from Gaza came, too, overwhelming Israel's "Iron Dome"
—a missile defense system the country trusted to fend off serious damage from Hamas'
arsenal. Dozens of rockets broke through and struck Israeli cities and villages, killing
at least five people.
....
Hamas used a simple tactic to beat the Iron Dome: it simply overwhelmed the missile
defense system with sheer numbers. Hamas fired between 3,000 and 5,000 rockets
on the day of attack. Israel had only about 1,000 interceptors in the field, and couldn't
reload fast enough to keep up with the barrage. It may seem surprising that Hamas
had far more rockets than Israel had missiles, but rockets are cheap, so the economics
worked in Hamas' favor. "Israel's interceptors cost more than $50,000 apiece," says
the University of Colorado's Boyd. "That's 100 times more than the cost of a Hamas
rocket. It allowed Hamas to overwhelm the system."

The third bulwark to fail during the Hamas attack was Israel's signals surveillance—
that is, the ability to listen in on every phone call made in Gaza, and monitor all forms
of electronic communications. Israel counted on that eavesdropping to provide an early
warning of a potential attack, on the assumption there would be telltale chatter between
militants. Hamas apparently turned that capability against the Israelis by not only relying
strictly on face-to-face communications to plan the attack, but by purposely making
comments in phone calls suggesting little appetite for confrontation.

With its nearby bases overrun by Hamas, its electronic eyes blinded, and its local
communications cut off, the Israeli military offered little by way of counterattack. It
wasn't aware of the invasion for nearly two hours, and six hours passed before an
alert was issued that a major crisis was taking place.

At some point in the early hours of the attack, a single Israeli Merkava tank showed up
to confront a group of Hamas militants. It should have been a lopsided battle; the
Merkava is one of the world's most advanced tanks, bristling with powerful guns,
sophisticated targeting electronics and the latest in defensive armor.

But the militants quickly blew up the tank, enlisting the same trick that Ukrainian
forces have used against Russian tanks: Grenades dropped down from small,
commercially available drones. The second Merkava to take on the attackers
quickly met the same fate. (Within days, the Israelis would take a page from the
Russians' book and tack on improvised slat roofs sitting on poles above the
Merkava's turret, in the hope that grenades would bounce off them.)

Essentially, every component of Israel's celebrated high-tech defense capabilities
failed, amounting to a total system collapse. But more than anything, it is the
hours-long delay in responding that raises questions about the effectiveness of
the country's defenses. It took about eight hours for the first significant Israeli
military forces to arrive and begin to drive the militants back, and as many as
20 hours for the army to confront the last of the attackers.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/israel-s-high-tech-border-failure-could-happen-in-the-u-s-experts-say/ar-AA1jXA4T

Essentially, every component of Israel's celebrated high-tech defense capabilities
failed, amounting to a total system collapse. But more than anything, it is the
hours-long delay in responding that raises questions about the effectiveness of
the country's defenses. It took about eight hours for the first significant Israeli
military forces to arrive and begin to drive the militants back, and as many as
20 hours for the army to confront the last of the attackers.

Literally every department of IDF, Mossad, and the central government simultaneously failed

yet nobody got fired or resigned in disgrace...

Literally every department of IDF, Mossad, and the central government simultaneously failed

yet nobody got fired or resigned in disgrace...

So, you fire the people you need to go after Hamas?  Who do you replace them with?  People who probably would not have done anything differently, more than likely.

The military in most countries isn't the same as a corporation where you can just fire the top supervisors and figure out where to go after that.

Usually there's an investigation, a board of inquiry, and if required a court martial.  That takes time, and it's not going to happen while they are busy waging war on the atackers.  Besides, the damage has already been done.  Dropping the hammer on the people in command immediately following the failure would do nothing to fix the problems in the systems.  It can wait until all the facts are investigated.

So, you fire the people you need to go after Hamas?  Who do you replace them with?  People who probably would not have done anything differently, more than likely.

The military in most countries isn't the same as a corporation where you can just fire the top supervisors and figure out where to go after that.

Usually there's an investigation, a board of inquiry, and if required a court martial.  That takes time, and it's not going to happen while they are busy waging war on the atackers.  Besides, the damage has already been done.  Dropping the hammer on the people in command immediately following the failure would do nothing to fix the problems in the systems.  It can wait until all the facts are investigated.

Sounds like a real clown show. We should not send them a dime until they get their situation sorted.

Sounds like a real clown show. We should not send them a dime until they get their situation sorted.

Welcome to the military!  When you invest that much time and resources into personnel for training and hands-on experience, it's difficult to find replacements at the top echelons.  Most of the US top slots are mostly political appointments, anyway, but the wartime commanders are normally seasoned warfighters.

Take a look at the combatant commander system we use.  Each major command is responsible for training the troops and providing equipment.  When the fighting starts, a theater of operations is designated, and a theater commander is appointed.  Each component commander (AF, Navy, Army, Marines, Coast Guard) provides resources and personnel to the theater commander.  Completely different structure than for peacetime.

Just an example of how you don't want to play mix and match just because the other side had a successful assault.  This might be the event that shows them all the holes in the systems they all thought were adequate protection from terrorists.

RIP USD