you dont own your home in Hawaii... (Read 1388 times)

ren

you dont own your home in Hawaii...
« on: November 23, 2023, 01:32:23 PM »
https://www.kitv.com/news/lahaina/maui-councilmember-wants-mayor-to-mandate-long-term-housing-in-lahaina-vacation-rentals/article_0cea21ac-8a4d-11ee-ac4a-2f6448736689.html

Maui County councilmember Gabe Johnson wants Mayor Richard Bissen to mandate short-term rentals in Lahaina's apartment districts be required to offer long-term housing.

Part of that district includes condominiums on lower Honoapi'ilani Road. Johnson says the mayor has the power to do this. He says it could transition more than 2,000 two-thousand West Maui vacation rentals into long-term housing for fire survivors.

Island News told you last week the mayor is looking for voluntary compliance from the short-term rental industry.

Johnson says he also supports the Lahaina Strong Hui, which is asking for an extended rent freeze and mortgage abatement.

Island News asked the mayor's office for comment. We have not heard back.
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groveler

Re: you dont own your home in Hawaii...
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2023, 07:54:06 PM »
Anyplace you have to pay a property tax, you do not "own" the property.
Something like a services tax would be more reasonable.
for example I don't need cops so why should I pay for them?
I do need a fire dept so I'm more than willing to pay for them.
Give me me the bill after they are done.
 :thumbsup:


Flapp_Jackson

Re: you dont own your home in Hawaii...
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2023, 08:11:51 PM »
Anyplace you have to pay a property tax, you do not "own" the property.
Something like a services tax would be more reasonable.
for example I don't need cops so why should I pay for them?
I do need a fire dept so I'm more than willing to pay for them.
Give me me the bill after they are done.
 :thumbsup:

There are no states in the US with zero property tax.

That would include the utopian state of Washington.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

hvybarrels

Re: you dont own your home in Hawaii...
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2023, 08:30:40 PM »
Wait until you start asking who really owns your “investments”

Stop blaming lazy people. We didn’t do anything.

MauiAxis

Re: you dont own your home in Hawaii...
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2023, 11:27:56 PM »
Johnson and the fisherman protestors want the mayor to cancel the minatoya list, which was established over 20 years ago to allow certain areas to do nightly rentals to tourists.

To cancel this now would be a government taking, so it would require paying fair market value. On a long term rental, rentals are about $3000/ month. On a vacation short term rental, they can make about $10,000/ month. And it generates a lot of service jobs.

Displaced persons could rent these now, but they want it free. The mayor wants voluntary compliance ie for people to voluntarily give up $80,000/ year.  No thanks, not me. He can take away that property right and pay for it in perpetuity. But that would bankrupt the County.

I know of Kupuna that lost their home, could not pay the mortgage, When they had to stop short term rentals.  So we would trade one set of homeless for another set.

I dont have a magic solution, but this aint it.

groveler

Re: you dont own your home in Hawaii...
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2023, 02:25:32 AM »
There are no states in the US with zero property tax.

That would include the utopian state of Washington.
You would bring up Washington.
Tribal land is not taxable
at all, as by definition their land is held "in Trust" by the Federal government.
That is why Hawaiians look so stupid resisting classification
as a "tribe".  eg. the Akaka bill.
Most all of Hawaii could be Federal trust land.
perish the thought that Democrats would lose control
over taxes and Hawaiians would get that power.
Most Hawaiians I know,  hate taxes more than I do.
BTW WA state is NOT a utopia, it is just just way more freedom
oriented than Hawaii in regards to observing the US Constitution.
Hawaii state ignores the Constitution almost entirely.
Gun laws are a good example.
Virtually every gun law Hawaii has, have been overturned by
various Federal courts on the mainland.
Y'all see any changes here?????????????????
 :grrr:


« Last Edit: November 24, 2023, 02:31:10 AM by groveler »

ren

Re: you dont own your home in Hawaii...
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2023, 08:02:37 AM »
https://hawaiifreepress.com/Articles-Daily-News/ID/40157/November-23-2023-News-Read

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: you dont own your home in Hawaii...
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2023, 09:47:00 AM »
You would bring up Washington.
Tribal land is not taxable
at all, as by definition their land is held "in Trust" by the Federal government.
That is why Hawaiians look so stupid resisting classification
as a "tribe".  eg. the Akaka bill.
Most all of Hawaii could be Federal trust land.
perish the thought that Democrats would lose control
over taxes and Hawaiians would get that power.
Most Hawaiians I know,  hate taxes more than I do.
BTW WA state is NOT a utopia, it is just just way more freedom
oriented than Hawaii in regards to observing the US Constitution.
Hawaii state ignores the Constitution almost entirely.
Gun laws are a good example.
Virtually every gun law Hawaii has, have been overturned by
various Federal courts on the mainland.
Y'all see any changes here?????????????????
 :grrr:
There are tribal lands that are not held in trust.
Quote
Allotted Indian lands held in trust by the United States are an instrumentality
employed by the United States for the benefit and control of this dependent
race, and so are immune from state taxation." Trust status is
what provides immunity from state taxes.


Lands not held in trust by the Federal government for the benefit of the tribe
would generally not share immunity and would, therefore, generally be
subject to state property taxes.
https://www.irs.gov/government-entities/indian-tribal-governments/itg-faq-12-answer-do-tribal-members-pay-real-estate-taxes

it's not as simple as one might assume:
https://snohomishcountywa.gov/DocumentCenter/View/6373/Updated-County-Taxation-in-Indian-County-Outline
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw