They are being used!
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2023/11/26/hpd-north-shore-atv-incident-raises-questions-about-training-resources/

It was a woman, so...

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Are these more vehicles purchased with COVID recovery funds -- like the pickups that don't perform the tasks they said they would?

Just curious. 

HPD has leadership problems?

Training problems?

Whatever it is, HPD does seem to have a problem.

Anyway, I remember reading something somewhere that HPD is so stretched manpower wise that the graveyard shift for North Shore yields 3 officers for the whole area.

Yet 3 of them can play with their toys in the sand on a secluded beach.......even those little kids are probably thinking WTF....

HPD has leadership problems?

Training problems?

Whatever it is, HPD does seem to have a problem.

Anyway, I remember reading something somewhere that HPD is so stretched manpower wise that the graveyard shift for North Shore yields 3 officers for the whole area.

Yet 3 of them can play with their toys in the sand on a secluded beach.......even those little kids are probably thinking WTF....

Iirc, tupola (c&c counsilwoman) said waianae station has 1 for the enitre area at night. This was during her opposition of sensitive places bill.

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HPD has leadership problems?

Training problems?

Whatever it is, HPD does seem to have a problem.

Anyway, I remember reading something somewhere that HPD is so stretched manpower wise that the graveyard shift for North Shore yields 3 officers for the whole area.

Yet 3 of them can play with their toys in the sand on a secluded beach.......even those little kids are probably thinking WTF....

I don't know what you 'read,' but ever since I moved to Mililani, there have been only 3 patrol officers assigned to the entire area between Mililani and the North Shore which includes all of Wahiawa, too.  It's designated District 2.

Usually there is one patrol officer in Mililani or Wahiawa and two in the North Shore region.  If there's a call that requires backup, the officers not in that area have to drive to the call location.  That means if there's a shooting in Mililani, there's probably no police presence at the North Shore as they are enroute or on location for that call.

I did see where the C&C hired one more officer to add to the three, but that was at least 10 years ago.  Given the recent years-long shortage of officers, I can only assume the 3 you read about are the 3 responsible for patrolling the area I mentioned.

District 2 – Mililani / Wahiawa / North Shore

District 2 is located in Central Oahu and is bounded by Kipapa Gulch and
Waiahole Stream on the south, the Waianae mountains on the west, the
Koolau mountains on the east, and the shoreline from Kaena Point through
Sunset Beach on the north.

The district includes the communities of Mililani, Kunia, Wahiawa, Whitmore,
Waialua, Haleiwa, Waimea, and Sunset Beach. Within the district are several
military installations: Wheeler Army Air Field, Kunia Communications Center,
Schofield Barracks, U.S. Navy Communications Center, and U.S. Army at
Helemano.

https://www.honolulupd.org/d2/

Even if they had 6-10 patrol officers per shift, that's still a huge area for them to provide coverage if multiple calls come in.

i used to see at least one unmarked car with the blue light on about once every 1-2 weeks.  Now I can go months and not see one in my area.

It's as if HPD only wants the minimum number of patrols to answer a single call for a given town, but not enough to handle more than one at a time.

I don't know what you 'read,' but ever since I moved to Mililani, there have been only 3 patrol officers assigned to the entire area between Mililani and the North Shore which includes all of Wahiawa, too.  It's designated District 2.

Usually there is one patrol officer in Mililani or Wahiawa and two in the North Shore region.  If there's a call that requires backup, the officers not in that area have to drive to the call location.  That means if there's a shooting in Mililani, there's probably no police presence at the North Shore as they are enroute or on location for that call.

I did see where the C&C hired one more officer to add to the three, but that was at least 10 years ago.  Given the recent years-long shortage of officers, I can only assume the 3 you read about are the 3 responsible for patrolling the area I mentioned.

District 2 – Mililani / Wahiawa / North Shorehttps://www.honolulupd.org/d2/

Even if they had 6-10 patrol officers per shift, that's still a huge area for them to provide coverage if multiple calls come in.

i used to see at least one unmarked car with the blue light on about once every 1-2 weeks.  Now I can go months and not see one in my area.

It's as if HPD only wants the minimum number of patrols to answer a single call for a given town, but not enough to handle more than one at a time.

Thanks for correcting me.  Wow.  That makes it worse.  Almost incomprehensible.  That's a lot of area for just 3 officers.

I know daytime get plenty of HPD officers out there with their radar guns, trying valiantly to drum up revenue for the County.

I'm in Waipahu.
The only blue lights I see nowadays are those "LotCop" towers at the Walmart store. 
About a month ago there was a huge unpermitted event across the street with hundreds of people.
Not one cop was there.
The next day there were beer bottles and rubbish at the park and the school next door.
...and you wonder why nobody gets busted for setting off fireworks at 3:30am?

I don't know what you 'read,' but ever since I moved to Mililani, there have been only 3 patrol officers assigned to the entire area between Mililani and the North Shore which includes all of Wahiawa, too.  It's designated District 2.

That is not at all correct. For that area you are looking at at least 12 officers minimum on regular patrol, not counting special units that do other things like patrol beaches, etc.

Are these more vehicles purchased with COVID recovery funds -- like the pickups that don't perform the tasks they said they would?

Just curious.

HPD had many ATVs before COVID but they may have purchased new ones with covid funds as well. I remember seeing the multi person ATVs after covid started but I have seen the single rider ones for years.

That is not at all correct. For that area you are looking at at least 12 officers minimum on regular patrol, not counting special units that do other things like patrol beaches, etc.

So, the police officers who told us at the neighborhood watch meeting were lying?

There may be 12 assigned, but only 3-4 per shift -- that's what the MILILANI PATROL OFFICERS told us ... about 8 years ago.

It was explained that if North Shore requested backup, Mililani would have to wait for Honolulu or Pearl City to dispatch help if there was another emergency.

The 3-10 minute response times Mililani cops normally provided would turn into 15-30 minutes depending on the situations.

So, where did you get your "facts,"  Mr. Contrarian?

So, the police officers who told us at the neighborhood watch meeting were lying?

There may be 12 assigned, but only 3-4 per shift -- that's what the MILILANI PATROL OFFICERS told us ... about 8 years ago.

It was explained that if North Shore requested backup, Mililani would have to wait for Honolulu or Pearl City to dispatch help if there was another emergency.

The 3-10 minute response times Mililani cops normally provided would turn into 15-30 minutes depending on the situations.

So, where did you get your "facts,"  Mr. Contrarian?

I don't know if they are lying, I was not there nor am a mind reader. I only know that the information is incorrect. It is also possible that you misunderstood their answer or that they misunderstood the question.

I know a couple of people who work in that district, that's my source. But don't take my word for it, try finding an officer in Mililani and ask them. Try calling the Wahiawa station and ask them.

I don't know if they are lying, I was not there nor am a mind reader. I only know that the information is incorrect. It is also possible that you misunderstood their answer or that they misunderstood the question.

I know a couple of people who work in that district, that's my source. But don't take my word for it, try finding an officer in Mililani and ask them. Try calling the Wahiawa station and ask them.

You made the claim my info is wrong.  You have the burden of proving it.

So far, all you've offered is your own belief.

You made the claim my info is wrong.  You have the burden of proving it.

So far, all you've offered is your own belief.

There he goes again, doesn't like being shown to be wrong. I mean if he was smart, he would say "today" since your post makes reference to 8 years ago. That's a long time ago.  Compared to my post about Tupola saying this year that Waianae has only 1 cop at night in the area.

You made the claim my info is wrong.  You have the burden of proving it.

So far, all you've offered is your own belief.

Seeing as how they probably aren't going to hand out their roster, what do you expect? I called and asked myself and told you the number on duty at that moment are you going to accept that? Here is the number to the Wahiawa Station, (808) 723-8700. Call them if you are so sure I am wrong, you don't even have to reply with the number you are told and therefore don't have to admit your information was wrong.

If what I said was a belief then everything you said is also a belief. So you hear a guy at a neighborhood meeting and that is a fact, but I know people who work there and say otherwise but I am only stating a belief? Moving goalposts here.

If you don't want to believe me I really don't care. Basic mathematics is enough to show the number you believe doesn't make any sense. There are 8 districts, if each district only had 3 officers per shift, x 3 shifts, that would mean only 72 officers on the island on any given day. So to cover 7 days you would need about 100 officers. Double that, heck triple that number even. There are about 1800 officers in HPD right now, you think out of 1800, only 300 work in patrol?  That doesn't make any sense.

There he goes again, doesn't like being shown to be wrong.

Well he didn't so no.

Seeing as how they probably aren't going to hand out their roster, what do you expect? I called and asked myself and told you the number on duty at that moment are you going to accept that? Here is the number to the Wahiawa Station, (808) 723-8700. Call them if you are so sure I am wrong, you don't even have to reply with the number you are told and therefore don't have to admit your information was wrong.

If what I said was a belief then everything you said is also a belief. So you hear a guy at a neighborhood meeting and that is a fact, but I know people who work there and say otherwise but I am only stating a belief? Moving goalposts here.

If you don't want to believe me I really don't care. Basic mathematics is enough to show the number you believe doesn't make any sense. There are 8 districts, if each district only had 3 officers per shift, x 3 shifts, that would mean only 72 officers on the island on any given day. So to cover 7 days you would need about 100 officers. Double that, heck triple that number even. There are about 1800 officers in HPD right now, you think out of 1800, only 300 work in patrol?  That doesn't make any sense.

12 officers ASSIGNED is not the same as 12 officers on duty.  If you did they math correctly without all the BS, 12 assigned / 3 on patrol = 4 shifts to cover 7 days and 3 shifts per day.

Maybe YOU didn't understand the answer, or the person answering the phone didn't understand your question.

Just because you were told something doesn't mean you were given the right info for what you thought you were asking.  It would not be the first time you made that mistake!   

How else would the saying "When seconds count, LE is just minutes away....." come to fruition.

12 officers ASSIGNED is not the same as 12 officers on duty.  If you did they math correctly without all the BS, 12 assigned / 3 on patrol = 4 shifts to cover 7 days and 3 shifts per day.

Maybe YOU didn't understand the answer, or the person answering the phone didn't understand your question.

Just because you were told something doesn't mean you were given the right info for what you thought you were asking.  It would not be the first time you made that mistake!   

You said 3 officers assigned, not 3 officers per shift. So using your own reasoning you must have believed there was only 1 officer on duty? 3 officers per shift does not make any sense by any measure. Either the officer misunderstood the question or you misunderstood the answer.

I gave you the phone number so you could find out for yourself, I said you don't have to take my word for it.

Just because you were told something doesn't mean you were given the right info for what you thought you were asking.  It would not be the first time you made that mistake!   

Seeing as how they probably aren't going to hand out their roster, what do you expect? I called and asked myself and told you the number on duty at that moment are you going to accept that? Here is the number to the Wahiawa Station, (808) 723-8700. Call them if you are so sure I am wrong, you don't even have to reply with the number you are told and therefore don't have to admit your information was wrong.

If what I said was a belief then everything you said is also a belief. So you hear a guy at a neighborhood meeting and that is a fact, but I know people who work there and say otherwise but I am only stating a belief? Moving goalposts here.

If you don't want to believe me I really don't care. Basic mathematics is enough to show the number you believe doesn't make any sense. There are 8 districts, if each district only had 3 officers per shift, x 3 shifts, that would mean only 72 officers on the island on any given day. So to cover 7 days you would need about 100 officers. Double that, heck triple that number even. There are about 1800 officers in HPD right now, you think out of 1800, only 300 work in patrol?  That doesn't make any sense.

Did you call 8 years ago?  Because that's what Flapp said in his 1st post.  Again, you failed to understand or read that part.  So I ask again, have someone nearest to you read post to you and then repeat it very slowly so you can understand.  You also replied immediately to that post, so I'm going to post about that here before you move goal post to say you weren't talking about his 8 year ago statement.  You're reply to what YOU quoted by Flapp's 8 year thing was "IDK if they're lying. I'm not a mind reader, IDK if their info is correct". Which all has to do with what Flapp posted about the meeting 8 years ago.