This guy must know someone (Read 8553 times)

Flapp_Jackson

Re: This guy must know someone
« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2023, 07:24:52 PM »
What about a gun that jammed on the first round, that means it didn't function. (All rhetorical). Would that be OK?  As I have never looked into this specifically, but I assume what you're saying makes no sense.  Maybe Flapp can chime in as he post more credible info.
See above post, I was editing it to add section when you replied.

"So it would be legal to carry around a non-functioning gun?"

The correct answer appears to not be, "Carrying around a non-functioning replica, for example, would still be a crime."

The statute allows "carrying it around" if you follow the same rules for a functional firearm:
"(a)   No person shall carry or display a replica gun
on any street, alley, public road, or on any public lands,
unless such replica gun is in a suitable case or securely wrapped."

Complete answers would be appreciated in the future.

 :geekdanc: :shaka:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: This guy must know someone
« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2023, 08:17:54 PM »
Carrying around a non-functioning replica, for example, would still be a crime.

Revised ordinances of honolulu
41-11.2 Prohibitions.
(a)   No person shall carry or display a replica gun on any street, alley, public road, or on any public lands, unless such replica gun is in a suitable case or securely wrapped.
(b)   No person shall draw or brandish a replica gun in the presence of a law enforcement officer engaged in the performance of the law enforcement officer’s duties.
(c)   Nothing in this article shall be deemed to prevent any person who has obtained a hunting license pursuant to HRS Chapter 183D from engaging in hunting in accordance with law.
(d)   In the event a replica gun is also an “air gun”, as defined in § 41-10.1, the exceptions in § 41-10.4 shall also be exceptions to the prohibitions in this article.
(e)   Nothing in this article shall prevent carrying or display of a replica gun by a person involved in a living history presentation or other activity for historical interpretation or educational purposes, or by a person participating in a parade if such activity or parade participant is associated with an established historical organization, museum, military preservation organization, or other group with a mission to educate the public at various events through the use of historical artifacts, clothing, vehicles, aircraft, maritime vessels, and firearms or replicas thereof.
Wrong.



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eyeeatingfish

Re: This guy must know someone
« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2023, 10:17:35 PM »
"So it would be legal to carry around a non-functioning gun?"

The correct answer appears to not be, "Carrying around a non-functioning replica, for example, would still be a crime."

The statute allows "carrying it around" if you follow the same rules for a functional firearm:
"(a)   No person shall carry or display a replica gun
on any street, alley, public road, or on any public lands,
unless such replica gun is in a suitable case or securely wrapped."

Complete answers would be appreciated in the future.

 :geekdanc: :shaka:

The guy didn't carry it around in a suitable case if he drew it any pointed it at someone. I figured that was obvious given the context of the thread.

eyeeatingfish

Re: This guy must know someone
« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2023, 10:18:15 PM »
Wrong.

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Sure, I just made up an entire section of Revised ordinances of Honollulu  :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

Flapp_Jackson

Re: This guy must know someone
« Reply #24 on: November 28, 2023, 11:05:36 PM »
The guy didn't carry it around in a suitable case if he drew it any pointed it at someone. I figured that was obvious given the context of the thread.

You answered a question about the law, not that specific case:

"So it would be legal to carry around a non-functioning gun?"


Man up!  Admit you didn't give a complete/correct answer.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

randay

Re: This guy must know someone
« Reply #25 on: November 29, 2023, 06:24:41 AM »
This guy is worse than a corrupt cop.

What was he going to do if they neva listen to him when he pointed the gun at them?

He going shoot them?

"Oh no, officer I was just trying to make dem scaid....."

were you there?

QUIETShooter

Re: This guy must know someone
« Reply #26 on: November 29, 2023, 08:05:13 AM »
were you there?

No.  But is anyone disputing that he pulled a gun on those 2 guys?  It was reported as so.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

changemyoil66

Re: This guy must know someone
« Reply #27 on: November 29, 2023, 08:13:56 AM »
Sure, I just made up an entire section of Revised ordinances of Honollulu  :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

Once again, you posted the wrong thing. Not that the law itself was wrong.  It's like I ask what's purple and you post blue. Then add in "well if you add red also, then it's purple".

Read slowly what you posted and the ENTIRE ordinance, including the definitions (hint hint). Then come back and respond to why I said you're wrong. Here's another HINT, you have to look up state law after this.

This is the 2nd time you posted only part of something so it sounds like you're right, but in the end wrong.  We call this selective information.  The anti gunners use this tactic as well. Hmmm.... EEF thinks red flag laws are constitutional like how MDA, ET, Brady do and now using this tactic more.

changemyoil66

Re: This guy must know someone
« Reply #28 on: November 29, 2023, 08:14:33 AM »
You answered a question about the law, not that specific case:

"So it would be legal to carry around a non-functioning gun?"


Man up!  Admit you didn't give a complete/correct answer.

Once again, he posted only part of the area that applies, but left out a HUGE part that shows he's wrong.

randay

Re: This guy must know someone
« Reply #29 on: November 29, 2023, 08:46:15 AM »
No.  But is anyone disputing that he pulled a gun on those 2 guys?  It was reported as so.

The linked news post actually says "allegedly" and also that it was to stop a fight.

changemyoil66

Re: This guy must know someone
« Reply #30 on: November 29, 2023, 08:53:11 AM »
The linked news post actually says "allegedly" and also that it was to stop a fight.

The media often uses that word.

You cannot use deadly force (pointing a gun at someone) to stop others from fighting.  Use of deadly force law only applies to yourself.

randay

Re: This guy must know someone
« Reply #31 on: November 29, 2023, 09:21:24 AM »
The media often uses that word.

You cannot use deadly force (pointing a gun at someone) to stop others from fighting.  Use of deadly force law only applies to yourself.

There are many laws for many things. I believe there is also a law about physically assaulting people. All laws are for things people can do, not for things people cannot do.

changemyoil66

Re: This guy must know someone
« Reply #32 on: November 29, 2023, 09:29:20 AM »
There are many laws for many things. I believe there is also a law about physically assaulting people. All laws are for things people can do, not for things people cannot do.

You can use reasonable force (excludes deadly force) to stop a fight.  HI's deadly force law is specific about it's use and drawing a firearm at 2 other people who are fighting isn't allowed.  Unless the person articulated that he too thought he would be seriously injured, suffer death, kidnapping, rape or sodomy. But I highly doubt it in this situation.

You got it sort of correct. The law also has stuff that tells you what you cannot due. So if there is no law saying you cannot do it, then it's legal to do.  Example: The state law states that in order to buy a rifle here, you must have a valid permit to acquire. Nothing in the law states the seller has to verify this. So it's legal to sell a rifle to someone state law wise without having them show you a permit to acquire.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: This guy must know someone
« Reply #33 on: November 29, 2023, 11:36:56 AM »
There are many laws for many things. I believe there is also a law about physically assaulting people.

All laws are for things people can do, not for things people cannot do.

Not sure i understand your generality.  Can you elaborate, please?

Sounds like you are saying there are no laws for what it is impossible for people to do -- like, no laws exist re: time travel.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: This guy must know someone
« Reply #34 on: November 29, 2023, 12:13:23 PM »
Not sure i understand your generality.  Can you elaborate, please?

Sounds like you are saying there are no laws for what it is impossible for people to do -- like, no laws exist re: time travel.

Time travel laws do exist. But they keep going back in time to delete them. Then pass them again so they maintain control. Then go back in time to delete again and so on.  But wait, how would they know to delete them if the laws never existed?  Uh-oh....time travel brother paradox.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: This guy must know someone
« Reply #35 on: November 29, 2023, 12:19:22 PM »
Time travel laws do exist. But they keep going back in time to delete them. Then pass them again so they maintain control. Then go back in time to delete again and so on.  But wait, how would they know to delete them if the laws never existed?  Uh-oh....time travel brother paradox.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: This guy must know someone
« Reply #36 on: November 29, 2023, 04:27:48 PM »
You answered a question about the law, not that specific case:

"So it would be legal to carry around a non-functioning gun?"


Man up!  Admit you didn't give a complete/correct answer.

Whatever dude, it is not worth arguing with you over this.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: This guy must know someone
« Reply #37 on: November 29, 2023, 04:33:27 PM »
Whatever dude, it is not worth arguing with you over this.

"Spoken" like a person who knows he's wrong and still can't type the words.

 :rofl: :geekdanc:

https://youtu.be/HbIjJg9QO1I?si=Gv9vve99Jux8dxUJ
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: This guy must know someone
« Reply #38 on: November 29, 2023, 04:37:28 PM »
Once again, you posted the wrong thing. Not that the law itself was wrong.  It's like I ask what's purple and you post blue. Then add in "well if you add red also, then it's purple".

Read slowly what you posted and the ENTIRE ordinance, including the definitions (hint hint). Then come back and respond to why I said you're wrong. Here's another HINT, you have to look up state law after this.

This is the 2nd time you posted only part of something so it sounds like you're right, but in the end wrong.  We call this selective information.  The anti gunners use this tactic as well. Hmmm.... EEF thinks red flag laws are constitutional like how MDA, ET, Brady do and now using this tactic more.

You are nitpicking. I posted the correct statute about a replica gun which is what I used as an example to help answer your question.
A jammed gun is still a gun.
There is also another section for things like airsoft guns in case you want to ask about things that are neither real nor replicas.

eyeeatingfish

Re: This guy must know someone
« Reply #39 on: November 29, 2023, 04:40:01 PM »
"Spoken" like a person who knows he's wrong and still can't type the words.



We are both right, I was right in the information I give to answer the question in the context of the topic. You were right from the angle of any type of situation.

You say I can't admit I am wrong (which is wrong), but I think the bigger question is why do you have to act like an a-hole all the time. As if your poop don't stink.