Honolulu TSA discovers "anti aircraft ammunition" (Read 6333 times)

QUIETShooter

Re: Honolulu TSA discovers "anti aircraft ammunition"
« Reply #20 on: December 09, 2023, 03:28:36 PM »
According to what i've read, the .50 caliber BMG (Browning Machine Gun) was developed in 1910 and went into full service in 1921.  You can find ammo in regular ball, tracer, armor-piercing (AP), incendiary, and saboted sub-caliber rounds.

It can also be used as an anti-materiel rifles (AMR), designed for use against military equipment, structures, and other hardware (materiel) targets. They are employed to eliminate equipment such as engines and unarmored or lightly armored targets.

They have been used as anti-aircraft defensive weapons, but they've been found less than capable in that role. They can, however, be effective against stationary aircraft similar to any other mechanized equipment.

I think what alarmed the TSA is the extreme appearance of the round.  Even though it's within the caliber limits set by TSA, the sheer size and weight is massive compared to common self defense rounds.



Yep.  Stacked side by side it even makes the 30-06 look puny.  I hated cleaning the Ma Duece after training with it.  All the parts were heavy and you get super oily, dirty, and tired after cleaning it.  Just taking it off and then putting it back on the M113 was something I dreaded.

Anyway, I think the article used the term "anti-aircraft" round to fuel the fear, since it was found in a checked bag headed for the cargo bay of an airplane.  Although anti-aircraft is certainly one of the roles of this cartridge, like you mentioned it was far more effective against mechanized targets and stationary bunkers.

They could have easily said 50 caliber cartridge but it doesn't seem as scary.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Honolulu TSA discovers "anti aircraft ammunition"
« Reply #21 on: December 09, 2023, 03:53:52 PM »
Yep.  Stacked side by side it even makes the 30-06 look puny.  I hated cleaning the Ma Duece after training with it.  All the parts were heavy and you get super oily, dirty, and tired after cleaning it.  Just taking it off and then putting it back on the M113 was something I dreaded.

Anyway, I think the article used the term "anti-aircraft" round to fuel the fear, since it was found in a checked bag headed for the cargo bay of an airplane.  Although anti-aircraft is certainly one of the roles of this cartridge, like you mentioned it was far more effective against mechanized targets and stationary bunkers.

They could have easily said 50 caliber cartridge but it doesn't seem as scary.

if this had been anywhere other than an airport, 'anti-aircraft" would have never been used.

It would have been a 'military-grade armor-piercing assault weapon sniper round.'
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the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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changemyoil66

Re: Honolulu TSA discovers "anti aircraft ammunition"
« Reply #22 on: December 09, 2023, 05:26:07 PM »
years ago to a match, a TSA agent inspected my rifle and scolded me for not having it on safe. He proceeded to rack it in public view a few times and placed it in safe. He saw my orders and said I should have known better. Rifle was not loaded and not within any ammo. I cant find this requirement to have rifles with the safety engaged in their policies.
Its not a requirement.

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Honolulu TSA discovers "anti aircraft ammunition"
« Reply #23 on: December 09, 2023, 05:35:33 PM »
Its not a requirement.

it's not only not a requirement, but it's a stupid concept.

Why put a firearm you cleared and checked on safe -- assuming you even can?  There's no reason to.  So what if someone pulls the trigger?  It should be re-checked and pointed in a safe direction if they do that.

The entire interaction sounds like someone trying to throw his weight around and sound authoritative when he had nothing better to do.

He should have asked the passenger to verify the weapon was unloaded and cleared and never touched it himself.  if something were to happen to break at that moment, TSA would be paying for repairs/parts.  Last one to touch it broke it.

Many discussions here warn to never let anyone, especially airline staff and TSA, handle your firearms.  Tell them you'll show them anything they want, but you'll be the one doing the handling.  Regardless, it's bad policy to allow anyone other than the owner handle weapons.  What if the thing really did have a round accidentally left in the chamber, and the TSA agent causes an ND? 

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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changemyoil66

Re: Honolulu TSA discovers "anti aircraft ammunition"
« Reply #24 on: December 09, 2023, 09:44:51 PM »
it's not only not a requirement, but it's a stupid concept.

Why put a firearm you cleared and checked on safe -- assuming you even can?  There's no reason to.  So what if someone pulls the trigger?  It should be re-checked and pointed in a safe direction if they do that.

The entire interaction sounds like someone trying to throw his weight around and sound authoritative when he had nothing better to do.

He should have asked the passenger to verify the weapon was unloaded and cleared and never touched it himself.  if something were to happen to break at that moment, TSA would be paying for repairs/parts.  Last one to touch it broke it.

Many discussions here warn to never let anyone, especially airline staff and TSA, handle your firearms.  Tell them you'll show them anything they want, but you'll be the one doing the handling.  Regardless, it's bad policy to allow anyone other than the owner handle weapons.  What if the thing really did have a round accidentally left in the chamber, and the TSA agent causes an ND?
I read b4 tsa isnt allowed to handle guns. Any handling would have to be done by LEO. So u gotta wait till 1 shows up, whos usually on site.

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Gordyf

Re: Honolulu TSA discovers "anti aircraft ammunition"
« Reply #25 on: December 11, 2023, 09:07:54 AM »
Was the round even live? or was it a dummy, deactivated? A display piece or souvenir Nobody is talking.?
Inquiring minds...
Aloha
Gordy

zippz

Re: Honolulu TSA discovers "anti aircraft ammunition"
« Reply #26 on: December 12, 2023, 04:00:07 PM »
ummm I suppose it could've been a HE or incendiary round at one time.

changemyoil66

Re: Honolulu TSA discovers "anti aircraft ammunition"
« Reply #27 on: December 12, 2023, 04:17:11 PM »
They're wrong.

Looks like someone went Kooalawe and brought a souvenir

QUIETShooter

Re: Honolulu TSA discovers "anti aircraft ammunition"
« Reply #28 on: December 12, 2023, 04:25:24 PM »
The media is engaging in Fear mongering and making mountains out of molehills.

ummm I suppose it could've been a HE or incendiary round at one time.



We found stuff like that when laying underground conduit for the new living quarters at Schofield all the time.  The thermos looks more dangerous. ;)
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

oldfart

Re: Honolulu TSA discovers "anti aircraft ammunition"
« Reply #29 on: December 12, 2023, 04:35:18 PM »
That's not a round. It looks like a projectile or bullet that was dug up after 50 years.
But without a size reference in the photo, you can't even guess what the size actually is.
Kind of like a TEMU picture.
What, Me Worry?

randay

Re: Honolulu TSA discovers "anti aircraft ammunition"
« Reply #30 on: December 12, 2023, 04:43:50 PM »
That's not a round. It looks like a projectile or bullet that was dug up after 50 years.
But without a size reference in the photo, you can't even guess what the size actually is.
Kind of like a TEMU picture.

Its sitting on a blue "shop towel", a nitrile glove, and the orange thing is a box cutter.

probably an HE round.

zippz

Re: Honolulu TSA discovers "anti aircraft ammunition"
« Reply #31 on: December 12, 2023, 04:47:49 PM »
news also said the person was arrested.

randay

Re: Honolulu TSA discovers "anti aircraft ammunition"
« Reply #32 on: December 12, 2023, 05:09:18 PM »
news also said the person was arrested.

unfortunately the person doesnt know how xrays work. he shoulda filled the thermos with lead instead of coffee.  :rofl:

macsak

Re: Honolulu TSA discovers "anti aircraft ammunition"
« Reply #33 on: December 12, 2023, 05:14:26 PM »
heads

That's not a round. It looks like a projectile or bullet

Gordyf

Re: Honolulu TSA discovers "anti aircraft ammunition"
« Reply #34 on: December 12, 2023, 05:34:20 PM »
 What we have come to expect from our media I am afraid.
They just can't be taken seriously.
I wonder how the EOD guys kept a straight face  :crazy:
Aloha
Gordy

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Honolulu TSA discovers "anti aircraft ammunition"
« Reply #35 on: December 12, 2023, 06:41:34 PM »
That photo makes more sense than anything the media reported.

Thousands of .50 caliber rounds were expended during the attack on PH.  Some were anti-aircraft, some tracers, some armor-piercing, etc.

It really looks like a relic from either the attack or possibly military training. 

Too bad the government is so hell-bent on taking away gun rights and the complicit media is too biased to even research the things they see on social media that have anything remotely related to guns.

I think the person carry this is more guilty (allegedly) of stealing a historic relic than anything firearm related.  If the military can't fix the bullet holes in Hickam and Schofield Barracks bullet-riddled structures out of historical preservation, there must be laws on the books making the removal and possession of WWII relics without permission illegal, too.

JMO
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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zippz

Re: Honolulu TSA discovers "anti aircraft ammunition"
« Reply #36 on: December 12, 2023, 07:04:57 PM »
What likely happened is noob TSA guy screening the bags thought it was a bomb on the xray and immediately cleared the room without anyone else seeing it.  Then TSA followed procedures and called everyone and arrested the guy.  The bomb disposal guys were probably like WTF.when they saw it.


changemyoil66

Re: Honolulu TSA discovers "anti aircraft ammunition"
« Reply #37 on: December 12, 2023, 07:12:44 PM »
So is the head considered ammo? No powder, primer, or brass.

Like what if someone had 1 brass casing in their bag, due to using same bag as a range bag?

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randay

Re: Honolulu TSA discovers "anti aircraft ammunition"
« Reply #38 on: December 12, 2023, 07:26:00 PM »
I dont work TSA but im pretty sure they can see right thru the bullet and see that there is a payload. 50s all steel, not lead.

ren

Re: Honolulu TSA discovers "anti aircraft ammunition"
« Reply #39 on: December 12, 2023, 08:16:29 PM »
So is the head bullet considered ammo? No powder, primer, or brass.

Like what if someone had 1 brass casing in their bag, due to using same bag as a range bag?

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