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Kit n Gun says the new requirements are necessary and good. He thanked hpd.

Ill never shop at his store.

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If the chief's rules stands, would Hawaii be the most expensive state to get a CW license?  That's a lot of money to dish out every 4 years.

woo hoo.

Kit n Gun says the new requirements are necessary and good. He thanked hpd.

Ill never shop at his store.

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I've shopped there and like Kit generally. But this is disappointing to hear.

I see a fracturing 2A community thanks to this bill. What a shame with there being so little of us.

If the chief's rules stands, would Hawaii be the most expensive state to get a CW license?  That's a lot of money to dish out every 4 years.

woo hoo.

Probably in the top 25% somewhere.  Top is likely New York with a $340+$88 every 3 years.  California is $205 for 2 years.  Average is around $100.

The $50 renewal fee is probably lower than average.

Remember to spread the word that low income people can get it for free.  Lot of people don't know about that.

Recap:

Going by memory so bare with me.

Gun stores present:
Young Guns
Danger Close Tactical
Peter Abraham (FFL)
Kit n Gun

Instructors present:
Urban Island Tactical (Andrew Roberts)
Kit n Gun
Darren Madrid
Butch Halemano
Peter Abraham
Young Guns instructors, I forgot their name (husband and wife, not Martha and her husband)
1 more Filipino guy who went last is a CCW instructor, I forgot his name

1 anti gun person there, the lady who's daughter committed suicide. Now she said her daughter was shot in the back of the head, wrapped in a sheet and put in the bathtub.  Her husband who owned the gun got away on a loop hole.  She brought a pic of her daughter.  Police ruled was a suicide.

3 pro chiefs rules and HI law requirements for CCW/handgun were present. Kit n Gun, Darren Madrid, and the Filipino guy I mentioned in the CCW instructor section. They all felt the rules/new requirements are good.

Many people against this bill spoke about the law and not about areas the chief rules are able to change.  The law portion needs to go thru the legislative process instead and not this hearing.

Kevin Cole the new NRA-ILA Hawaii rep was outside.  He began in November 2023.  He lives in HI and will be handling lawsuit/legislative stuff.  Prior it was a guy named Daniel who was the West Cost NRA-ILA rep who would submit testimony and attend hearings in person (precovid) and via zoom (during covid and post covid).

A good bunch of reserve HPD on site and plain clothes.  Todays turnout had like 40 people. Very small compared to last years chiefs rules hearing.  The chief didn't mingle outside this time.

Somethign new was when you enter past the metal detectors, they put your info via your ID into a computer.

From what the verbal testimonies were, I don't expect any changes to be made.

I see a fracturing 2A community thanks to this bill. What a shame with there being so little of us.

This rules hearing showed who the fudds are.

ahhhh.....   pau already.  Chief rules will stand.  it's done.  nobody better cry.

You pay big money.  Then if or when you get into a self defense altercation, spend some more money.  Lots and lots of money.

Just like Vegas games, odds are against you.

ahhhh.....   pau already.  Chief rules will stand.  it's done.  nobody better cry.

You pay big money.  Then if or when you get into a self defense altercation, spend some more money.  Lots and lots of money.

Just like Vegas games, odds are against you.

I expect this to work out just as well as the ban on fireworks, drugs, and prostitution

Recap:

Instructors present:
Urban Island Tactical (Andrew Roberts)
Kit n Gun
Darren Madrid
Butch Halemano
Peter Abraham
Young Guns instructors, I forgot their name (husband and wife, not Martha and her husband)
1 more Filipino guy who went last is a CCW instructor, I forgot his name

Sorry, Dr. appointment. 

Instructors present:

Young Guns instructors, I forgot their name (husband and wife, not Martha and her husband)

Roanne and Greg?

4got

Had a lady in a nra hat going from cop to cop and recording them asking about free speech.

She then refused to give an ID to enter as its unconstitutional. She was told she can log in as annonmyious.

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Roanne and Greg?

Sounds like their names.

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Many people against this bill spoke about the law and not about areas the chief rules are able to change.  The law portion needs to go thru the legislative process instead and not this hearing.

See this is what I was getting at when I asked what we should be testifying about. I don’t think many people know/knew that the handgun safety class requirement was NOT part of the law passed by Congress. I sure as hell didn’t until I asked. And I bet a lot of people testifying were just bitching about the new laws which probably did nothing to change anyone’s mind. It’s all very frustrating.

See this is what I was getting at when I asked what we should be testifying about. I don’t think many people know/knew that the handgun safety class requirement was NOT part of the law passed by Congress. I sure as hell didn’t until I asked. And I bet a lot of people testifying were just bitching about the new laws which probably did nothing to change anyone’s mind. It’s all very frustrating.

One minor technical point which doesn't change anything you posted.

The Hawaii State Legislature is made up of a House and a Senate.

Congress is at the federal level.

I only mention it since I saw you mention this before.

 

One minor technical point which doesn't change anything you posted.

The Hawaii State Legislature is made up of a House and a Senate.

Congress is at the federal level.

I only mention it since I saw you mention this before.

 

Ahh thank you sir.

I emailed my testimony earlier, but got no confirmation is was received by anyone.  Is there a registry of testimonies?

I emailed my testimony earlier, but got no confirmation is was received by anyone.  Is there a registry of testimonies?

I didn't get a confirmation either.  Sign of things to come?