I emailed my testimony earlier, but got no confirmation is was received by anyone.  Is there a registry of testimonies?

It's been posted on the HPD firearms webpage. About a 60/40 pro 2a.

Kevin Cole the new NRA-ILA Hawaii rep was outside.  He began in November 2023.  He lives in HI and will be handling lawsuit/legislative stuff.  Prior it was a guy named Daniel who was the West Cost NRA-ILA rep who would submit testimony and attend hearings in person (precovid) and via zoom (during covid and post covid).

A good bunch of reserve HPD on site and plain clothes.  Todays turnout had like 40 people. Very small compared to last years chiefs rules hearing.  The chief didn't mingle outside this time.

Kevin Cole is a resident here and volunteer coordinating the activism.  We haven't had a person doing that for a while.  Last was Harvey Gerwig.

is he repping HRA? NRA-ILA? both?

Kevin Cole is a resident here and volunteer coordinating the activism.  We haven't had a person doing that for a while.  Last was Harvey Gerwig.

is he repping HRA? NRA-ILA? both?

NRA-ILA

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Remember to spread the word that low income people can get it for free.  Lot of people don't know about that.

I think the HPD fee can be waived.  I'm not sure about the private sector fees.

focus
you replied to my quote
"the bill was sponsored by the governor and passed by the legislature
and they stated their intent numerous times..."
sorry if i didn't add more "maybes" and "perhaps" so you would see how "objective" i am trying to be

the governor specifically said that people have the right to feel safe
and more guns on the street means less safety
the governor sponsored the bill, and he had key legislators at his side that repeated the same thing more than once

You are still lumping together the whole legislature. You could easily argue the governor's intent is plain, that is not so easy to do for legislators since they can each vote for their own reasons and don't always state their intent in voting for the bill. Thus I won't speculate on their intent as a whole, what really matters is the result.

have you ever made a definitive statement in your entire life?

You are still lumping together the whole legislature. You could easily argue the governor's intent is plain, that is not so easy to do for legislators since they can each vote for their own reasons and don't always state their intent in voting for the bill. Thus I won't speculate on their intent as a whole, what really matters is the result.

My dad who was anti 2a, but not like protest against it or donate money to MDA/ET types of orgs. Just a no guns in the house and guns are bad.  But over the years, he's slowly been changing.  Recently when we talked about active shooters, instead of him saying to ban guns, he said to shoot back cause bad guys dont' obey laws.

He watched the hearing and agreed that the rules and law sounds unconstitutional.  I didn't get to explain in detail yet, but he gets that why should someone need a class to exercise a right.  The example he used is you don't need to take a test to exercise free speech.

You are still lumping together the whole legislature. You could easily argue the governor's intent is plain, that is not so easy to do for legislators since they can each vote for their own reasons and don't always state their intent in voting for the bill. Thus I won't speculate on their intent as a whole, what really matters is the result.

#whataboutism
#objective

The young man who testified that his wife has a CCW license from another state but of course hawaii has no reciprocity.

I felt for him and his wife when he testified that she goes into work everyday at 4 in the am in a questionable vicinity.

How long and how much money will this woman have to dish out and endure before she can exercise her right to defend herself?

I hope Chief Logan considers this situation when he contemplates his "new rules".

If something happened to this woman in the meantime, would he be able to sleep at night?

If she were to request police escort everyday she goes to work until her CCW is granted, would he comply?

He should if he's gonna implement these stupid rules.

Didnt know they posted all written testimonies, they redact the email but not your name. Does it matter if you submit a written testimony as anonymous?

have you ever made a definitive statement in your entire life?

When something can be said definitively, yes.

My dad who was anti 2a, but not like protest against it or donate money to MDA/ET types of orgs. Just a no guns in the house and guns are bad.  But over the years, he's slowly been changing.  Recently when we talked about active shooters, instead of him saying to ban guns, he said to shoot back cause bad guys dont' obey laws.

He watched the hearing and agreed that the rules and law sounds unconstitutional.  I didn't get to explain in detail yet, but he gets that why should someone need a class to exercise a right.  The example he used is you don't need to take a test to exercise free speech.

That is wonderful to hear and exactly why I don't think we should alienate moderates.

That is wonderful to hear and exactly why I don't think we should alienate moderates.

Hes still very DNC supporting. Just not on the 2a. Idk if this still makes him a liberal.

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Hes still very DNC supporting. Just not on the 2a. Idk if this still makes him a liberal.

Good rebuttal.

Who said he's a "moderate?"

Sounds like a Democrat who likes the 2A from a capitalism viewpoint -- nothing more.

He's praising more government requirements and financial costs before a right can be exercised.  Not very moderate, in my opinion.

There's no data to support the belief that mandatory training increases gun safety and reduces gun deaths.  Most who don't know about guns seek out training from friends, coworkers spouses and of course paid trainers.  Mandating it doesn't change that by any large margin. 

However, it's a fact that the poorest residents, who almost always live in high crime areas, can't afford all the training required to carry.  The law keeps guns out of the hands of the lower classes while ensuring only the "haves" can legally carry.

We don’t want to burn people, but we do need to try and snap them out of their trance

When something can be said definitively, yes.

You should start a thought experiment thread on that.

i'd love to see your list of definitive statements.

#providingnuance

You should start a thought experiment thread on that.

i'd love to see your list of definitive statements.

Hes still very DNC supporting. Just not on the 2a. Idk if this still makes him a liberal.

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But he is taking steps in the right direction, he is moderating his position. Thats good reason not to alienate him.

I wouldn't define someone as liberal or conservative based on any single issue, I would just generally call someone like your dad a moderate. Maybe that isn't technically accurate though because one could hold far left and far right extreme ideas with no moderate stances?