Are guns the problem? (Read 6451 times)

Kingkeoni

Are guns the problem?
« on: December 17, 2012, 05:01:11 PM »
Here's an email I received.





Dr. Ignatius Piazza
For Immediate Release: Monday, December 17, 2012

Dear keoni,

Please Forward to Your Local Newspapers, Radio Stations, and Television News Stations, Family and Friends

Subject: Psych Drugs, Not Guns, Doing the Killing

Las Vegas, Nevada: 12 years ago, I asked a very pointed question in a press release sent to the National Wire Service immediately following the killings at Columbine High School.

A few days after the Virginia Tech Massacre, I again asked the same very direct question.

And today, after the Newton Connecticut massacre, I am once again asking the very same pointed question...

I am asking, "How many times must we experience another Littleton, Colorado or Virginia Tech or Newtown Connecticut before we wake up, study the research and adopt policies which actually reduce crime and begin saving our children instead of leaving them helpless victims when the next psych drug user snaps?"

After Columbine, while most journalists and lawmakers focused on whether or not my answer to protecting children by arming teachers was the right solution, it seems everyone missed my understanding of the root cause that drove these kids to commit such atrocities!

The root cause was and continues to be the psych drugs that are being pushed on our children!

In some cases children as young as kindergarten age!

After Columbine, nobody wanted to believe the founder and director of the nation's largest firearms training institute when he pointed his finger at psych drugs as the cause of the problem. During numerous radio, TV and newspaper interviews I would bring it up and it would fall on deaf ears with no reaction at all.

So I spent $300,000 to create a Hollywood produced, award winning DVD entitled Front Sight Story, Chapter One: Your Legacy.

In "Your Legacy," I interviewed people of age who actually experienced an America when guns were so freely available to children and youth, that you could order them through the mail with no ID required, no waiting period, and literally carry them to school to place in the back of the classroom with no problems at all.

During this time, when guns were the most accessible in our country's entire history, there were no school shootings, drive by shootings, or murderous teenage rampages.

What changed? Here is what changed: Powerful psych drugs were developed and became the profitable, prescription answer to a wide variety of extremely questionable if not outright fabricated mental disorder diagnosis of youth.

Little Johnny doesn't want to go to school? Take this pill... Little Johnny isn't learning? Take this pill...

Little Johnny feels anxious? Take this pill... Little Johnny is sad? Take this pill... Little Johnny is restless?

Take this pill... Little Johnny is rebellious? Take this pill...

And once Little Johnny started taking the brightly colored pills to handle the normal challenges of youth that every prior generation had overcome naturally through the process of social maturity, Little Johnny began the downward spiral of adverse prescription drug side effects leading to multiple prescription, psycho drug cocktails... stronger drugs... physical and psychological dependency... and the now infamous and reoccurring homicidal and suicidal reactions caused by these very powerful, mind bending drugs.

There is a truism I keep posted on the wall above my computer. It reads, "People of integrity expect to be believed. When they are not, they let time prove them right."

Well, unfortunately and tragically in this case, time has proven me right, time and time again! Numerous school shootings over the last several years ALL linked to children and teens under the influence of powerful, prescribed psych drugs!

Psych Drugs, NOT GUNS, Are the Common Deadly Thread in School Shootings!

And now, instead of Dr. Ignatius Piazza, the Founder and Director of Front Sight saying, "Its Psych Drugs, Not Guns, Doing the Killing" I am getting assistance in spreading my message from some of the most unlikely, sources you could ever imagine...

Watch this video from Citizens Committee on Human Rights. They have done the hard research and now say the same thing I said over 12 years ago...



Then see what Michael Moore, the Darling of the Liberal Left, Anti-Gun Media now has to say about the cause of Columbine. Medical Doctors and Psychiatrists Now Admit Connections Between Psych Drugs and Homicidal and Suicidal Actions of Children and Teens:



Michael and I may never agree about the importance of an armed society to the freedom and protection of law abiding citizens or the fallacy of gun control, but we could be best friends in our efforts to expose the truth about the profit driven history of psych drug prescriptions systematically creating homicidal and suicidal monsters out of our youth in America. In fact, I stand ready and willing to assist Michael Moore in any way possible on such an endeavor.

Now that people on both sides of the gun control debate agree that psych drugs are creating suicidal and homicidal maniacs out of our youth, the time has come to expose the truth to all of America.

You can help save today's youth from further psych drug abuse and protect America's next generation from the horrors of psych drug prescriptions. It only takes 10% of the population to unite, stand up and say, "No more!" for social movements to succeed. You CAN do something about this!

Simply spread this press release far and wide to all on your lists and ask your friends and family to do the same.

Instead of circulating the latest joke or cartoon of the week, make the entirety of this earth-shattering truth the next e-mail that goes 'round the world'! Don't rely on anyone else to do what you should do. Don't be apathetic.

Take one minute to do the right thing and you will feel great about it for the rest of your life because the future children you save from psych drug addiction or being shot by a psych drugged maniac may be your own children or grandchildren...

See the links below for more irrefutable proof of the connection between psych drugs and school shootings...

Psych Drugs, Not Guns, are Doing the Killing!



Experts Say Psychiatric Drugs Linked to Long List of School Shooting Sprees

The Link Between School Shootings and Vet Suicides is Big Pharma not Guns

Sincerely,

Dr. Ignatius Piazza
Founder and Director
Front Sight Firearms Training Institute
Your number one Option for Personal Security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.

Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.

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Re: Are guns the problem?
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2012, 05:16:38 PM »
You ought to extract the actual links and post them, rather than just the labels:


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Psych Drugs, Not Guns, are Doing the Killing!

Experts Say Psychiatric Drugs Linked to Long List of School Shooting Sprees

The Link Between School Shootings and Vet Suicides is Big Pharma not Guns

An excellent observation:

Quote
In "Your Legacy," I interviewed people of age who actually experienced an America when guns were so freely available to children and youth, that you could order them through the mail with no ID required, no waiting period, and literally carry them to school to place in the back of the classroom with no problems at all.

During this time, when guns were the most accessible in our country's entire history, there were no school shootings, drive by shootings, or murderous teenage rampages.

Terry, 230RN
I do believe that the radical and crazy notion that the Founders meant what they said, is gradually soaking through the judicial system.

ren

Re: Are guns the problem?
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2012, 05:30:10 PM »
Tha'ts a plausible cause but it would seem that we (gun owners) are trying to point the finger another way. People are already moved by the popular media that guns are the problem. We lost that battle. Gun ownership has taken a big hit in negative perspective just by the irrational, emotional response to this tragedy. The anti-gun crowd seized on this opportunity and capitalized on it. The NRA or we, need a media campaign to counter it. Most people I talk to agree that guns are NOT the problem (and they are not gun owners) but the crazy people behind these tragedies. Few people realize that when laws fail, in these cases they did, we need to empower the citizens. The American public will refuse to accept that bad things can happen anywhere and will refuse to respond to it; but rather parse out personal security to the government.
Deeds Not Words

roadster99

Re: Are guns the problem?
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2012, 05:36:33 PM »
I fully agree that these types of medications (if you can even call them that) are a huge contributor to the violence these individuals portray. Often times, it seems that the common link between these cases are mental illness and/or anti-depressants/anti-psychosis medication. I personally don't have a very positive opinion (nor can I offer a professional one) toward those types of drugs and would never in a million years administer them to my child, even under the direction of a physician. I'm not some believer in magic healing or anything (ibuprofen works wonders), but I do have a red line.

In reply to ren, what I feel is so ironic in this case is that there are many laws already in place that should have prevented this tragedy. But the one thing anti-gun advocates always choose to either ignore or even attempt to digest or give credibility to, is that villains don't care about laws. Plain and simple. Regulation is always the answer to that side of the aisle, but regulation fails for those who don't give a crap about regulation in the first place.

For instance, it's a felony to bring a firearm onto school property. Did Lanza care? No. You are required by law to be 21 to possess a firearm. Lanza was 20. Did he care? No. You need to have a permit to carry in Conn. Lanza didn't have one. Did he care? No. Apparently, the firearms used in the shooting were registered to Lanza's mother. Does registration and bureaucratic red tape do anything to curb instances such as this? Sadly, again, no.

Is the simplest answer to arm the teachers and/or administrators?  Touchy subject.  These kids don't seem to mind.



But I feel that it's truly reprehensible that the anti-gun lobby doesn't even recognize these facts whenever presented before them. Instead they blindly swing the regulation bat in the hopes that our constitutional rights will again be infringed upon. They use emotion of the incident to sway public opinion and turn tragedy into political gain. Truly reprehensible. And throughout all of this the NRA stays silent.
« Last Edit: December 17, 2012, 06:13:57 PM by roadster99 »

nf9648

Re: Are guns the problem?
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2012, 06:01:46 PM »
I dont believe in modern medicine.  We should not be sustaining or prolonging lives with artificially made medications.  Up until the 1920's we were doing pretty good with natural selection.  The fact that we have so many screwed up people today is no surprise, if it wasnt for the pharmaceutical industry they wouldnt walk among us.

Kingkeoni

Re: Are guns the problem?
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2012, 06:23:43 PM »
You ought to extract the actual links and post them, rather than just the labels:


An excellent observation:

Terry, 230RN

See if this link works:
http://www.ignatius-piazza-front-sight.com/2012/12/17/front-sight-special-blog-psych-drugs-not-guns-doing-the-killing/
Your number one Option for Personal Security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.

Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.

macsak

Re: Are guns the problem?
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2012, 07:17:47 PM »
i'm guessing israel?

I fully agree that these types of medications (if you can even call them that) are a huge contributor to the violence these individuals portray. Often times, it seems that the common link between these cases are mental illness and/or anti-depressants/anti-psychosis medication. I personally don't have a very positive opinion (nor can I offer a professional one) toward those types of drugs and would never in a million years administer them to my child, even under the direction of a physician. I'm not some believer in magic healing or anything (ibuprofen works wonders), but I do have a red line.

In reply to ren, what I feel is so ironic in this case is that there are many laws already in place that should have prevented this tragedy. But the one thing anti-gun advocates always choose to either ignore or even attempt to digest or give credibility to, is that villains don't care about laws. Plain and simple. Regulation is always the answer to that side of the aisle, but regulation fails for those who don't give a crap about regulation in the first place.

For instance, it's a felony to bring a firearm onto school property. Did Lanza care? No. You are required by law to be 21 to possess a firearm. Lanza was 20. Did he care? No. You need to have a permit to carry in Conn. Lanza didn't have one. Did he care? No. Apparently, the firearms used in the shooting were registered to Lanza's mother. Does registration and bureaucratic red tape do anything to curb instances such as this? Sadly, again, no.

Is the simplest answer to arm the teachers and/or administrators?  Touchy subject.  These kids don't seem to mind.



But I feel that it's truly reprehensible that the anti-gun lobby doesn't even recognize these facts whenever presented before them. Instead they blindly swing the regulation bat in the hopes that our constitutional rights will again be infringed upon. They use emotion of the incident to sway public opinion and turn tragedy into political gain. Truly reprehensible. And throughout all of this the NRA stays silent.

Bunker

Re: Are guns the problem?
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2012, 07:26:03 PM »
Well, unfortunately and tragically in this case, time has proven me right, time and time again! Numerous school shootings over the last several years ALL linked to children and teens under the influence of powerful, prescribed psych drugs!

Psych Drugs, NOT GUNS, Are the Common Deadly Thread in School Shootings!


See the links below for more irrefutable proof of the connection between psych drugs and school shootings...

Psych Drugs, Not Guns, are Doing the Killing!


Experts Say Psychiatric Drugs Linked to Long List of School Shooting Sprees

The Link Between School Shootings and Vet Suicides is Big Pharma not Guns


I would think most people would agree that psych drugs are a contributing factor, I certainly do, but the author is very specific to schools and at the end of his letter he included a link about the "Link Between School Shootings and Vet Suicides is Big Pharma not Guns". Just wonder why his research is limited to just schools and not other public venues where mass shooting occurred and why did he throw in that link about vets at the end. Sounds like he has concluded psych drugs are the single reason and root cause specific to school shootings. Maybe true, specific to school shootings (I don't know), but lets face it, other nuts with no mental history surely must have committed mass murders in crowded public venues. I would go as so far as to say psych drugs are a contributing factor but I certainly wouldn't conclude it is the single culprit. When someone publishes something so specific to a single root cause of a very specific situation (schools), they back themselves in a corner. If just one individual without a mental history commits a similar crime in the near future, the argument is no longer valid. Maybe I'm just a little skeptical of people who root cause a very big issue into a smaller subset.

42itus

Re: Are guns the problem?
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2012, 07:36:56 PM »
I'm not gonna disagree with the drug theory, because I don't know enough to form an educated opinion.  I do want to throw in parenting in there.  I'm sure I've turned into my dad when I say, "kids nowadays" or "when I was a kid"... But I think there are a lot of parents that don't let their children take accountability for their actions.  I've heard from teachers how they've been confronted by parents because something on the report card wasn't favorable.  And it's common how coaches of sports teams have to explain to the parent why their kid isn't playing as much as other kids... Helicopter parents.    Sometimes I catch myself doing this with my son as well, but most of the times it's tough love for him.

Bunker

Re: Are guns the problem?
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2012, 07:44:01 PM »
I'm not gonna disagree with the drug theory, because I don't know enough to form an educated opinion.  I do want to throw in parenting in there.  I'm sure I've turned into my dad when I say, "kids nowadays" or "when I was a kid"... But I think there are a lot of parents that don't let their children take accountability for their actions.  I've heard from teachers how they've been confronted by parents because something on the report card wasn't favorable.  And it's common how coaches of sports teams have to explain to the parent why their kid isn't playing as much as other kids... Helicopter parents.    Sometimes I catch myself doing this with my son as well, but most of the times it's tough love for him.

There was another related thread that kinda brought out that very point about parenting, discipline, lack of respect, etc, and how society has changed over generations and time. I personally believe that is also a contributing factor, but that's just my opinion.

roadster99

Re: Are guns the problem?
« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2012, 08:25:22 PM »
i'm guessing israel?

That would be my guess as well.  I just happened across the photo.  Unsure where it was taken.  But giving it the eye test, good guess...I guess...

Pit808

Re: Are guns the problem?
« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2012, 09:37:51 PM »
Packin the M1 carbine!.........Awesome
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