so if they had an all White Christams Partay... (Read 2398 times)

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changemyoil66

Re: so if they had an all White Christams Partay...
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2024, 08:57:38 AM »
But she still loves the BWC.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: so if they had an all White Christams Partay...
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2024, 10:31:30 AM »
"The Attorney General’s Office has declined to investigate, saying that since the event was not open to the public, it cannot and does not violate the public accommodation law."

So, that means anyone can discriminate within the government, job related or not, and it's all good?

Because the things employees are involved in are also "not open to the public."

Also, those kinds of functions held on government property and paid for out of tax payer funding are excluded from the law, right?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: so if they had an all White Christams Partay...
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2024, 10:54:01 AM »
"The Attorney General’s Office has declined to investigate, saying that since the event was not open to the public, it cannot and does not violate the public accommodation law."

So, that means anyone can discriminate within the government, job related or not, and it's all good?

Because the things employees are involved in are also "not open to the public."

Also, those kinds of functions held on government property and paid for out of tax payer funding are excluded from the law, right?

I wonder if she could claim free speech. Like if someone was KKK and got fired because of being part of it outside of work.  As in never talks WS stuff while at work.  Cause hate speech is protected by the 1A, and becasue she's a government worker, it would be considered the government censoring her. If she was private sector, private coprs can censor as they please.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: so if they had an all White Christams Partay...
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2024, 11:11:18 AM »
I wonder if she could claim free speech. Like if someone was KKK and got fired because of being part of it outside of work.  As in never talks WS stuff while at work.  Cause hate speech is protected by the 1A, and becasue she's a government worker, it would be considered the government censoring her. If she was private sector, private coprs can censor as they please.

The First Amendment doesn't shield you against acting in ways that are unlawful and trying to call it "Free speech or expression."

You can have and communicate racially dicriminatory views, but as soon as you act on them (e.g. excluding Whites from an event based 100% on ethnicity), you crossed that line between speech and actions.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: so if they had an all White Christams Partay...
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2024, 11:17:07 AM »
The First Amendment doesn't shield you against acting in ways that are unlawful and trying to call it "Free speech or expression."

You can have and communicate racially dicriminatory views, but as soon as you act on them (e.g. excluding Whites from an event based 100% on ethnicity), you crossed that line between speech and actions.

So talking about WS as a KKK member OK, attending a Klan rally would be a no go.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: so if they had an all White Christams Partay...
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2024, 01:11:46 PM »
So talking about WS as a KKK member OK, attending a Klan rally would be a no go.

No.  What you say in public is protected speech from the perspective of government agencies taking punitive action against you for it.  This is one reason "hate speech' is such a stupid concept.  There are only so many categories of hate speech that even qualify as that.

If you break the law by following your beliefs by discriminating against someone because they are the wrong skin color, that is not okay.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

groveler

Re: so if they had an all White Christams Partay...
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2024, 01:49:36 PM »
For a while I was employed by the University of California system.
I know for a fact that Asians were considered to be "white" for admissions
purposes.
I worked with Asians that were Blacker than any USA self proclaimed "African American".
Strangely continents of Asia and "Europe" are divided by the Ural mountains, by some English
academic BS.
Most every where else Oceans are mostly the definition of continents.
My race is classified as Caucasian although I have no relatives in
recorded history from  what is call the Caucus
region of Europe.
I'm considered to be "white"
It should piss off everyone that Japanese, Korean, Chinese, Indian are considered
to be "white" for admissions consideration to university studies.
It is all political BS to get the Black and "Karen" vote and allow
stupid people into positions of power they would not have the intellect
to execute with some semblance of  competency if all things were considered,
other than their race or sex.
 :wtf:







hvybarrels

Re: so if they had an all White Christams Partay...
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2024, 02:08:38 PM »
Didn't believe it was possible, but apparently Boston sucks even worse than I remember.

Stop blaming lazy people. We didn’t do anything.

mrgaf

Re: so if they had an all White Christams Partay...
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2024, 07:35:57 PM »
Didn't believe it was possible, but apparently Boston sucks even worse than I remember.



Shit tastes like goat piss…. 8)
To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.  Thomas Paine.

No man can get rich in politics unless he is a crook.  It cannot be done. Harry Truman

Only good liberal is one taking a dirt nap.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: so if they had an all White Christams Partay...
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2024, 09:24:52 AM »
Shit tastes like goat piss…. 8)

i'm going to have to ask the obvious .....

How do you know what goat piss tastes like?

 :geekdanc:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

groveler

Re: so if they had an all White Christams Partay...
« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2024, 10:17:37 AM »
i'm going to have to ask the obvious .....

How do you know what goat piss tastes like?

 :geekdanc:
I'll take that one on.  I have raised a lot of Goats. If they aren't fixed, they
piss on themselves and just abut everything else.
That smell is unmistakable.
Human sense of taste comes mostly from smell, not your tongue.
If exposed to a strong enough stench, you literally 'taste it".
Kind of like dealing with dead decomposed mammals the smell makes
some people sick because they continue to "taste" it for a long time afterwards.
 :geekdanc:

changemyoil66

Re: so if they had an all White Christams Partay...
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2024, 11:07:41 AM »
I'll take that one on.  I have raised a lot of Goats. If they aren't fixed, they
piss on themselves and just abut everything else.
That smell is unmistakable.
Human sense of taste comes mostly from smell, not your tongue.
If exposed to a strong enough stench, you literally 'taste it".
Kind of like dealing with dead decomposed mammals the smell makes
some people sick because they continue to "taste" it for a long time afterwards.
 :geekdanc:

Beef stew smells diff from how it taste. No be shame, just admit you was curious and drank goat piss.  :rofl:

changemyoil66

Re: so if they had an all White Christams Partay...
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2024, 11:09:17 AM »
No.  What you say in public is protected speech from the perspective of government agencies taking punitive action against you for it.  This is one reason "hate speech' is such a stupid concept.  There are only so many categories of hate speech that even qualify as that.

If you break the law by following your beliefs by discriminating against someone because they are the wrong skin color, that is not okay.

I think I understand more now.  Correct if i'm wrong. When it affects others. Attending a Klan rally as long as it's non-violent is OK. Attending a Klan rally and while there, they hurt a minority, is a no go.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: so if they had an all White Christams Partay...
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2024, 12:16:59 PM »
I think I understand more now.  Correct if i'm wrong. When it affects others. Attending a Klan rally as long as it's non-violent is OK. Attending a Klan rally and while there, they hurt a minority, is a no go.

Check.

Attending a meeting to whine about "coloreds" is protected 1A -- speech, expression and freedom of association.

Harassing POC at work, only promoting Whites or participating in cross burnings on private property is not protected.

There may not be laws against specific forms of harassment, but if that action causes harm to others (burning cross sets the house on fire), then the act is not protected -- even if the outcome was unintentional.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

hvybarrels

Re: so if they had an all White Christams Partay...
« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2024, 01:03:41 PM »
Beef stew smells diff from how it taste. No be shame, just admit you was curious and drank goat piss.  :rofl:

A hunter was telling me about droughts on the big island getting so bad that goats start drinking their own urine and their meat takes on a powerful unpleasant flavor as a result.
Stop blaming lazy people. We didn’t do anything.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: so if they had an all White Christams Partay...
« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2024, 01:30:12 PM »
A hunter was telling me about droughts on the big island getting so bad that goats start drinking their own urine and their meat takes on a powerful unpleasant flavor as a result.

That sounds bhaaaaaaaaaaad!

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

groveler

Re: so if they had an all White Christams Partay...
« Reply #17 on: January 03, 2024, 03:58:40 PM »
A hunter was telling me about droughts on the big island getting so bad that goats start drinking their own urine and their meat takes on a powerful unpleasant flavor as a result.
I call BS.
My animals have more water than they can drink
and the Goats drink their piss anyway.
it is about scent and who is the Alpha male.
It does make the meat strong.
But I typically don't eat goat, I trade it to Filipinos
for other things.   Barter and cash is your friend on the Big Island.
 :shaka:

mrgaf

Re: so if they had an all White Christams Partay...
« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2024, 07:23:37 PM »
i'm going to have to ask the obvious .....

How do you know what goat piss tastes like?

 :geekdanc:

Actually my USAF retired buddy told me…. :geekdanc:
To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.  Thomas Paine.

No man can get rich in politics unless he is a crook.  It cannot be done. Harry Truman

Only good liberal is one taking a dirt nap.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: so if they had an all White Christams Partay...
« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2024, 08:47:58 PM »
Actually my USAF retired buddy told me…. :geekdanc:

having someone describe a taste doesn't count.

...unless whatever it is tastes like chicken (universal default).
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw