This made me think of the closed Action Bays at KHSC (Read 3686 times)

QUIETShooter

This made me think of the closed Action Bays at KHSC
« on: January 13, 2024, 07:47:08 AM »
Maybe hawaii's leader's don't want their citizens sheeple to get too proficient with their firearms.....

hence the reasons of safety, lead contamination, and richochets. ::) ::) :rofl: :rofl:


Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

ren

Re: This made me think of the closed Action Bays at KHSC
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2024, 07:52:39 AM »
You madafakaz like training? You need to get on the HPDs list and pay.

« Last Edit: January 13, 2024, 07:31:40 PM by ren »
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oldfart

Re: This made me think of the closed Action Bays at KHSC
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2024, 08:05:33 AM »

there is so much wrong with this idea
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QUIETShooter

Re: This made me think of the closed Action Bays at KHSC
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2024, 08:08:18 AM »
You madafakaz like training? You need to get on the HPDs list and pay.

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Yes.  Everyone needs to go through HPD.  For some reason they have become the Grand Poobah of firearms training, acquisition, and ownership.  Kit n Gun might be the Deputy Grand Poobah.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

QUIETShooter

Re: This made me think of the closed Action Bays at KHSC
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2024, 08:17:51 AM »
This guy asks the question:  "Why would the government want us unarmed, and untrained?"


Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Q

Re: This made me think of the closed Action Bays at KHSC
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2024, 02:02:42 PM »
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Yes.  Everyone needs to go through HPD.  For some reason they have become the Grand Poobah of firearms training, acquisition, and ownership.  Kit n Gun might be the Deputy Grand Poobah.

How dare you not use his correct title.

It's Obergruppenmadafakah

hvybarrels

Re: This made me think of the closed Action Bays at KHSC
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2024, 04:15:10 PM »
No need to get alarmed. I'm sure it's all just a coincidence
“A Communist system can be recognized by the fact that it spares the criminals and criminalizes the political opponent.”   -Alexander Solzhenitsyn

aletheuo137

Re: This made me think of the closed Action Bays at KHSC
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2024, 07:20:49 PM »
 

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oldfart

Re: This made me think of the closed Action Bays at KHSC
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2024, 07:26:54 PM »
How do you define "training"?
How about a classroom lecture on defensive shooting?

a slippery slope
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changemyoil66

Re: This made me think of the closed Action Bays at KHSC
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2024, 09:19:17 PM »
How do you define "training"?
How about a classroom lecture on defensive shooting?

a slippery slope
Aaaarrrmmmmyyyyy training.

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oldfart

Re: This made me think of the closed Action Bays at KHSC
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2024, 09:50:26 PM »
All joking aside, if some other state tries to pass this, then Hawaii will probably try the same thing.
Why? Because the feds are pushing all the states towards the Biden agenda.
If we (Hawaii) don't play along with the Biden agenda, then we would probably lose federal funding for whatever projects that needs federal dollars.

It's politics 101- scratch my back, I'll scratch yours.
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eyeeatingfish

Re: This made me think of the closed Action Bays at KHSC
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2024, 02:08:12 AM »
Maybe hawaii's leader's don't want their citizens sheeple to get too proficient with their firearms.....

hence the reasons of safety, lead contamination, and richochets. ::) ::) :rofl: :rofl:




Potential first and second amendment violations

macsak

Re: This made me think of the closed Action Bays at KHSC
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2024, 05:36:09 AM »
Potential first and second amendment violations

mahalo officer obvious...
« Last Edit: January 14, 2024, 06:39:34 AM by macsak »

oldfart

Re: This made me think of the closed Action Bays at KHSC
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2024, 06:20:42 AM »
If the proposed law is vague enough, it could be weaponized to include just about anybody in all kinds of sports clubs.
The obvious targets are the action shooting sports clubs at Kokohead.
But how about archery or karate? Historical re-enactment clubs? ROTC? high school rifle clubs? Boy Scouts?
It could be a catch-all solution for shutting down anybody.
It's scary to think that somebody would actually put this down on paper.
What, Me Worry?

QUIETShooter

Re: This made me think of the closed Action Bays at KHSC
« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2024, 08:06:13 AM »
The anti-gun movement is getting bold.  They are making mountains out of molehills.  Linking tactical and proficient firearms training with terrorist training.

A law abiding homeowner wants additional training to make sure he can protect his family and loved ones and they make him out to be a terrorist  or part of a militia hate group.

What these stupid politi-tards don't realize is that the "sheeple" they think they can control and manipulate are getting sick and tired of these shenanigans.

Just look at what is happening in that sick state of illinois and their efforts to force registration on gun-owners.  Result:  Non Compliance.  A nice way of saying "F*ck Yoo"

They are throwing all kinds of things at the wall to see what will stick.  If it does, great.  If it doesn't they don't care.  They will keep at it.  They are well funded and they don't care.

Our sh*t politicians here in hawaii are watching.  Listening.  Learning.  Smiling.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: This made me think of the closed Action Bays at KHSC
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2024, 10:00:16 AM »
The anti-gun movement is getting bold.  They are making mountains out of molehills.  Linking tactical and proficient firearms training with terrorist training.

A law abiding homeowner wants additional training to make sure he can protect his family and loved ones and they make him out to be a terrorist  or part of a militia hate group.

What these stupid politi-tards don't realize is that the "sheeple" they think they can control and manipulate are getting sick and tired of these shenanigans.

Just look at what is happening in that sick state of illinois and their efforts to force registration on gun-owners.  Result:  Non Compliance.  A nice way of saying "F*ck Yoo"

They are throwing all kinds of things at the wall to see what will stick.  If it does, great.  If it doesn't they don't care.  They will keep at it.  They are well funded and they don't care.

Our sh*t politicians here in hawaii are watching.  Listening.  Learning.  Smiling.

The 2A text protects the people keeping and bearing arms with the rationale of providing a well regulated militia.

Those of us with a proper reading of the amendment understand that "well regulated" means well trained, not having to do with government regulations like the anti's believe.

I think a case could be made in front of the Supreme Court Justices demonstrating that this training is protected under the Bill of Rights.

It's not hard.  A militia needs to be well trained to be effective.  The people make up the militia.  The people are protected by law in possession and carry of arms, which includes firearms that are able to be carried, so that they can practice manual of arms and marksmanship before being called up for militia duty.

The NRA was created out of a need to train the civilian population to shoot proficiently.  The Civil War proved that an army is less capable if they've never before learned and practiced with firearms.  NRA training was supposed to solve that by training those who might serve.

Maybe a similar BS talking point using muskets is appropriate?

Firearm training was recognized at the time the 2nd Amendment was added to the Constitution -- when one-shot muskets were commonly used.  Training is therefore even more necessary today, and to a higher degree of proficiency.  Modern revolvers and semi-automatic firearms don't take 20-30 seconds to reload between rounds.  Operators need to be able to put their first shot on target before they pull the trigger a second time.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

hvybarrels

Re: This made me think of the closed Action Bays at KHSC
« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2024, 10:10:28 AM »
“A Communist system can be recognized by the fact that it spares the criminals and criminalizes the political opponent.”   -Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Flapp_Jackson

Re: This made me think of the closed Action Bays at KHSC
« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2024, 10:17:32 AM »
it's all about giving government a monopoly on violence.

Whether it's "assault weapons" (which feds call Personal Defense Weapons or PDWs), mags with more than X rounds, aftermarket gadgets that might increase rate of fire, and now 5.56 ammo and "tactical" training, it's all geared toward keeping the power to inflict violence only in the hands of police and military, both of which are under the control of civilian-run government administrations.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

oldfart

Re: This made me think of the closed Action Bays at KHSC
« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2024, 11:44:34 AM »
 :stopjack:
Theoretically the action bays will reopen soon.
Then this thread will be moot.
Theoretically.
What, Me Worry?

hvybarrels

Re: This made me think of the closed Action Bays at KHSC
« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2024, 11:55:46 AM »
:stopjack:
Theoretically the action bays will reopen soon.
Then this thread will be moot.
Theoretically.

I would love to be proven wrong. Flying to Nevada for training is unaffordable for me and even though my skills are minimal I’m sure that’s mostly gone now.
“A Communist system can be recognized by the fact that it spares the criminals and criminalizes the political opponent.”   -Alexander Solzhenitsyn