Martin Luther King salutes Hawaii statehood (Read 1522 times)

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groveler

Re: Martin Luther King salutes Hawaii statehood
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2024, 04:21:19 PM »
I don't celebrate ANY politically motivated holidays.
Holidays that celebrate Historical events, yes I do.
New years( both of them), Memorial day, 4th of July. Veterans day, Thanksgiving,
and Christmas.
The rest I pretty well ignore.
Agreed, Christmas and Thanksgiving are pretty much inaccurate date wise.
 :shaka:




mrgaf

Re: Martin Luther King salutes Hawaii statehood
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2024, 05:53:13 PM »
I don't celebrate ANY politically motivated holidays.
Holidays that celebrate Historical events, yes I do.
New years( both of them), Memorial day, 4th of July. Veterans day, Thanksgiving,
and Christmas.
The rest I pretty well ignore.
Agreed, Christmas and Thanksgiving are pretty much inaccurate date wise.
 :shaka:

Agree but it’s nice to get all the bullshit out of the way in one fell swoop if ya know what I mean. I’ve grown to dislike the holidays, they are just a pain in the ass….. :)
To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.  Thomas Paine.

No man can get rich in politics unless he is a crook.  It cannot be done. Harry Truman

Only good liberal is one taking a dirt nap.

aletheuo137

Re: Martin Luther King salutes Hawaii statehood
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2024, 07:17:57 AM »
https://youtube.com/watch?v=i8k8VzByCRc

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aletheuo137

Re: Martin Luther King salutes Hawaii statehood
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2024, 07:19:06 AM »
https://youtube.com/watch?v=fm70BDm_KB0

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Q

Re: Martin Luther King salutes Hawaii statehood
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2024, 07:24:25 AM »
Did Native Hawaiians support it though?

You'll often hear it said that an overwhelming majority of Hawaiians supported statehood; this is a lie.

600,000 people in Hawai'i at the time of the vote for statehood. Only 190,000 authorized registered voters, of which ~170,000 voted for statehood. None of those people were Native Hawaiians or generational locals, given that citizens of a territory are not allowed to vote.

MLK was against how minorities in Africa dictated the policies and governments of the continent, so kind of hilarious he supported statehood without considering the opinions and perspectives of the indigenous people of Hawai'i.

groveler

Re: Martin Luther King salutes Hawaii statehood
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2024, 11:24:50 AM »
Did Native Hawaiians support it though?

You'll often hear it said that an overwhelming majority of Hawaiians supported statehood; this is a lie.

600,000 people in Hawai'i at the time of the vote for statehood. Only 190,000 authorized registered voters, of which ~170,000 voted for statehood. None of those people were Native Hawaiians or generational locals, given that citizens of a territory are not allowed to vote.

MLK was against how minorities in Africa dictated the policies and governments of the continent, so kind of hilarious he supported statehood without considering the opinions and perspectives of the indigenous people of Hawai'i.
"There is no generally accepted definition of Indigenous peoples, although in the 21st century the focus has been on self-identification."

No such thing as "Native" Hawaiians,  Am I a native Californian
because I was born there to parents that traveled from another part of the country?
No, I don't consider myself a native of anywhere, I am an American citizen.  That is it.

As a tribe Hawaiians do have a gripe against the people that overthrew
their tribal government or Kingdom as it were. So dig them up and kill them again.
Personally I hope Hawaiians put together a Monarchy,  move to
their designated "Homelands", set up casinos, and make some money
so they aren't so poor.

Reality is Hawaiians can't take back everything and evict everybody else.
That isn't going to happen.  What can happen,  is for Hawaiians to set up like many
mainland Indian nations have done,  and prosper, or be stubborn and not deal with reality.
 :popcorn:





Flapp_Jackson

Re: Martin Luther King salutes Hawaii statehood
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2024, 11:45:17 AM »
Did Native Hawaiians support it though?

You'll often hear it said that an overwhelming majority of Hawaiians supported statehood; this is a lie.

600,000 people in Hawai'i at the time of the vote for statehood. Only 190,000 authorized registered voters, of which ~170,000 voted for statehood. None of those people were Native Hawaiians or generational locals, given that citizens of a territory are not allowed to vote.

MLK was against how minorities in Africa dictated the policies and governments of the continent, so kind of hilarious he supported statehood without considering the opinions and perspectives of the indigenous people of Hawai'i.

"given that citizens of a territory are not allowed to vote."

I don't know what elections you're referring to, but statehood procedures normally require a vote:
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In most past cases, Congress has required that the people of the territory seeking statehood
vote in a free referendum election, then petition the U.S. government for statehood.
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Letters endorsing statehood poured in from Hawaiian activist groups, students, and
politicians. In March 1959, both the House and Senate finally passed a Hawaii statehood
resolution. In June, the citizens of Hawaii voted to accept the statehood bill, and on
August 21, 1959, President Eisenhower signed the official proclamation admitting Hawaii
as the 50th state.
https://www.thoughtco.com/us-statehood-process-3322311

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Hawaii's statehood referendum passed with an incredible 94.3 percent of the vote. 
About 95 percent of the Hawaiians who voted specifically agreed to all the terms of
the admission act. Fewer than 8,000 Hawaiians voted no on either question. Because
approximately 20 percent of the population in 1959 would have qualified as "native"
under the definition in S.147, then at least three-fifths of that group must also have
voted for statehood with no separate rights for individuals of their ancestry.[6] Though
a small minority opposed statehood, at no point in the statehood debate did anyone
in Congress suggest that the U.S. should treat so-called "native Hawaiians" like an
Indian tribe. As the above statements demonstrate, Hawaiians' sentiment was, in fact,
quite the opposite.
https://www.heritage.org/civil-rights/report/abusing-hawaiian-history-hawaiians-knew-their-history-1959
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

hvybarrels

Re: Martin Luther King salutes Hawaii statehood
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2024, 03:52:48 PM »
Did Native Hawaiians support it though?

You'll often hear it said that an overwhelming majority of Hawaiians supported statehood; this is a lie.

600,000 people in Hawai'i at the time of the vote for statehood. Only 190,000 authorized registered voters, of which ~170,000 voted for statehood. None of those people were Native Hawaiians or generational locals, given that citizens of a territory are not allowed to vote.

MLK was against how minorities in Africa dictated the policies and governments of the continent, so kind of hilarious he supported statehood without considering the opinions and perspectives of the indigenous people of Hawai'i.

I heard something like that but it was from obnoxious UH faculty so I took it with a grain of salt. How do you suppose this could be verified? Not sure it makes any legal difference but it would be nice to know what percentage of Kanakas supported or opposed statehood at the time. If Kill Haole Day is any indication there were some raw lingering feelings of injustice from that era. I’d just like to know how much of the grudge is left over vs stoked up recently, and what percentage of the population still feels that way.
Stop blaming lazy people. We didn’t do anything.