I think I know the answer.  Maybe one or two places.  On this whole fricken island. (Oahu).

I pose the question because of this:

How are we going to pass the LTC live fire test?

Anyone knows or are there instructors that conduct proficiency training on live fire ranges that simulate the distances set forth in the LTC live fire test?

Besides the 2 places on Oahu most of us know of already.

every place else is "know a friend" to shoot at.

You can practice the LTC test at Koko Head and dryfire at home since the shoot times are long and and minimum score is low.  HPDs requirements is very easy to pass to the point of if you can't pass it you probably shouldn't be carrying a gun.

For example the HPD CCW test: draw and fire 5 shots at 10 yards within 15 seconds.  Goal is to keep the shots in the B27 target 8-ring (11.8" x 17.7" about the size of 2 letter size sheets of paper). Scale that 2.5x for the 25 yard equivalent,  29.5" x 44.25" about the size of your pistol frame.

Basically from the compressed ready, punch out and shoot 5 shots in 14 seconds and keep the shots in the cardboard.  if you can do this you'll ace the test.

Everyone can pass it with very minimal training.  The bigger issue for people is violating the safety rules like finger on the trigger drawing, flagging, etc.

Of course that's just the minimum standard.  Question you should ask instead is where can I practice and train where I can be proficient to survive an encounter.

For actual distance, you can go of 2 open to the public places. X-Ring and 808 Gun Club.

To practice holster draw like how the test requires, at X-Ring, you first must pay to take a class in order to do so. I refuse to do this as much as I can help it.

808GC allows holster draw as of July last year.  Try call them to see.

You cannot do the distnace or holster draw at KHSC.  If the bay's were open, you can do the distance thing, but depending on which group you shoot with, the IWB holster draw may not be allowed.

We've been dry firing for over a year now.

What I've learned during covid is that I can go 6 months or so without shooting and seeing any noticable loss in ability.  This was because the bays were closed.  My level of ability I would say is just above average, but not expert or even close to expert.  Taking skill builders over the years with HDF has taught me good fundamentals as well as being accountable to what my own expectations are.  Like they stress accuracy, which in turn gave me a higher standard to practice more.  Then later when I began shooting with HRA, as I didn't know about them when I first began shooting, these taught skills transfered over.

So with that being said, the range closed in Sept 2022 and when I had to zero our RDS in Vegas that December (I think it was December), once zero'd, my grouping was between nickle and dime at 10 yards with slow fire.  Nickle for the Shield Plus and dime for Mrs. CMO's P365X. 

Then add in the qual for the HI CCW test, I passed with 100% on a big target.  But I was the only student to pass with 100%.

The above is just to give you an idea of what not shooting for a while has done to my ability.  But now it's been 13 months since I last shot, so this will be a very big test. 

The point is, I think even though shooting is a perishable skill, if you're "guud enuff", you won't be that bad, like a noob who never shot before.   Which is why I stress to noobs to train while you can, don't push it off till later. I got a friend who's like this. He didn't have the money, so I told him I'd pay for a class and ammo. He said OK, but overslept. THen the range was shut down. So now he does airsoft and hasn't fired his gun in a class. But he did pass the HI CCW qual, IDK what his score was.

every place else is "know a friend" to shoot at.

You can practice the LTC test at Koko Head and dryfire at home since the shoot times are long and and minimum score is low.  HPDs requirements is very easy to pass to the point of if you can't pass it you probably shouldn't be carrying a gun.

For example the HPD CCW test: draw and fire 5 shots at 10 yards within 15 seconds.  Goal is to keep the shots in the B27 target 8-ring (11.8" x 17.7" about the size of 2 letter size sheets of paper). Scale that 2.5x for the 25 yard equivalent,  29.5" x 44.25" about the size of your pistol frame.

Basically from the compressed ready, punch out and shoot 5 shots in 14 seconds and keep the shots in the cardboard.  if you can do this you'll ace the test.

Everyone can pass it with very minimal training.  The bigger issue for people is violating the safety rules like finger on the trigger drawing, flagging, etc.

I've been going to KHSC.  Thank you for the specific info.  I guess I'll work on the 25 yard equivalent for now since that's all we're allowed to do at KHSC.

I'll work on my holster draw and safety rules while dry firing at home.

Thanks again.

Of course that's just the minimum standard.  Question you should ask instead is where can I practice and train where I can be proficient to survive an encounter.

Agree.  I don't mind pursuing a class like this.

For actual distance, you can go of 2 open to the public places. X-Ring and 808 Gun Club.

To practice holster draw like how the test requires, at X-Ring, you first must pay to take a class in order to do so. I refuse to do this as much as I can help it.

808GC allows holster draw as of July last year.  Try call them to see.

You cannot do the distnace or holster draw at KHSC.  If the bay's were open, you can do the distance thing, but depending on which group you shoot with, the IWB holster draw may not be allowed.

X-Ring is closer to where I live.  Maybe I'll look into it.  So far it seems like X-Ring is like Vegas: Nickel and dime you to death.

808GC is another place I've never been and it's farther.  Heard of parking issues and few lanes.  Maybe I'll scout it out when I'm in the area.

 

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every place else is "know a friend" to shoot at.

We've been dry firing for over a year now.

What I've learned during covid is that I can go 6 months or so without shooting and seeing any noticable loss in ability.  This was because the bays were closed.  My level of ability I would say is just above average, but not expert or even close to expert.  Taking skill builders over the years with HDF has taught me good fundamentals as well as being accountable to what my own expectations are.  Like they stress accuracy, which in turn gave me a higher standard to practice more.  Then later when I began shooting with HRA, as I didn't know about them when I first began shooting, these taught skills transfered over.

So with that being said, the range closed in Sept 2022 and when I had to zero our RDS in Vegas that December (I think it was December), once zero'd, my grouping was between nickle and dime at 10 yards with slow fire.  Nickle for the Shield Plus and dime for Mrs. CMO's P365X. 

Then add in the qual for the HI CCW test, I passed with 100% on a big target.  But I was the only student to pass with 100%.

The above is just to give you an idea of what not shooting for a while has done to my ability.  But now it's been 13 months since I last shot, so this will be a very big test. 

The point is, I think even though shooting is a perishable skill, if you're "guud enuff", you won't be that bad, like a noob who never shot before.   Which is why I stress to noobs to train while you can, don't push it off till later. I got a friend who's like this. He didn't have the money, so I told him I'd pay for a class and ammo. He said OK, but overslept. THen the range was shut down. So now he does airsoft and hasn't fired his gun in a class. But he did pass the HI CCW qual, IDK what his score was.

Thank you for your personal input.  I'll continue to dry-fire and do holster and safety drills at home and go to KHSC as much as possible. 

Hopefully ammo in 2024 doesn't become scarce or banned by the demorats.  I do have range ammo to practice but these bastards are trying to make it hard to re-stock practice ammo.  Maybe 2024 will present us with a sensible POTUS instead of a retarded one.

X-Ring is closer to where I live.  Maybe I'll look into it.  So far it seems like X-Ring is like Vegas: Nickel and dime you to death.

808GC is another place I've never been and it's farther.  Heard of parking issues and few lanes.  Maybe I'll scout it out when I'm in the area.

 

At least Vegas ranges don't nickle and dime you to death. X-ring does. This is 1 reason why I try my best not to spend any money there, and so far it has been accomplished.

When I did my RDS zero at Range702, they said I can bring my own JHP ammo to zero. But I decided to buy FMJ from them and use that instead. They also let me holster draw without having to spend money on a class first.  IIRC the range fee was $15 and like $1 for eyes and $1 for ears.

Battlefield LV, you have to purchase their ammo ($16 for 9mm 50rds) and range fee.

The Gun Store, lets you bring your own ammo and you have to pay range fee.

We went to Range 702 as it was on Danny The Medic and they allowed him to film there.  Plus we've never been there before and it was on the way from the airport our hotel.  I wanted to be zero'd as soon as possible after landing in Vegas.

For 808GC, I know a few guys who parked at Whole Foods and walked over.  Yes, this is legal to do.

X-Ring is closer to where I live.  Maybe I'll look into it.  So far it seems like X-Ring is like Vegas: Nickel and dime you to death.

As Changemyoill said, they don't do that in Vegas or rest of the nation.  It's a purely Hawaii thing because there's no competition.

I've been to many gun ranges on the mainland and none of them do what the 2 ranges here do.

At least Vegas ranges don't nickle and dime you to death. X-ring does. This is 1 reason why I try my best not to spend any money there, and so far it has been accomplished.

When I did my RDS zero at Range702, they said I can bring my own JHP ammo to zero. But I decided to buy FMJ from them and use that instead. They also let me holster draw without having to spend money on a class first.  IIRC the range fee was $15 and like $1 for eyes and $1 for ears.

Battlefield LV, you have to purchase their ammo ($16 for 9mm 50rds) and range fee.

The Gun Store, lets you bring your own ammo and you have to pay range fee.

We went to Range 702 as it was on Danny The Medic and they allowed him to film there.  Plus we've never been there before and it was on the way from the airport our hotel.  I wanted to be zero'd as soon as possible after landing in Vegas.

For 808GC, I know a few guys who parked at Whole Foods and walked over.  Yes, this is legal to do.

Yes, I meant Vegas nickel and diming referring to the Strip and Downtown properties.  I'm sure the gun ranges in Vegas are more reasonable.

I liked the Danny the Medic video when he went to the gun range.  He's a really interesting person in that he does Food and Travel videos yet he subtlety wants to show his preference to 2a and the right to carry firearms.  He even did a video with the topic "Is 22 LR enough for self-defense?".  The guy is simply hilarious but very logical in his reasoning regarding 22 LR as a defense caliber.

But yeah, X-Ring and their pricing policy is the reason I haven't visited there.  I've mentioned this earlier I'm not a cheap bastard but I hate when the rip-off exceeds the value of the product or service provided.

for the closer targets, like 5 yards 2 shots in 6 seconds you can dryfire it at home.  in a hallway or living room, stack 2 sheets of paper on the wall.

6 seconds is a long time and it's a large target where a blind man could hit somewhere in the silhouette

If you can do these 2 things you'll get 100% on the test.  Exceptions are if you use a really small gun like a derringer or snubnose.  Those take a bit more skill and practice.

for the closer targets, like 5 yards 2 shots in 2 seconds you can dryfire it at home.  in a hallway or living room, stack 2 sheets of paper on the wall.

6 seconds is a long time and it's a large target where a blind man could hit somewhere in the silhouette

If you can do these 2 things you'll get 100% on the test.  Exceptions are if you use a really small gun like a derringer or snubnose.  Those take a bit more skill and practice.

I have a P365.   

I just got done practicing in my garage.  The farthest I can practice is 5 yards.  I use the NRA B-8C(P) target taped to the laundry sink wall.  I stand with my back to the closed garage door.  For longer distances I figure I can stand in my kitchen and practice dry firing out into my back yard through the sliding door.  My subdivision is designed where my backdoor neighbor's house sits on a berm.  If he is nosey enough, he would see me doing dry-fire in my kitchen.

I hope he don't call HPD, ATF, FBI, CIA, and governor newsome.  Oh, and Canada's Trudeau.

I have a P365.   

I just got done practicing in my garage.  The farthest I can practice is 5 yards.  I use the NRA B-8C(P) target taped to the laundry sink wall.  I stand with my back to the closed garage door.  For longer distances I figure I can stand in my kitchen and practice dry firing out into my back yard through the sliding door.  My subdivision is designed where my backdoor neighbor's house sits on a berm.  If he is nosey enough, he would see me doing dry-fire in my kitchen.

I hope he don't call HPD, ATF, FBI, CIA, and governor newsome.  Oh, and Canada's Trudeau.

When I dry fire, I  focus to see of the sight moves when I press the trigger (flinch). For me, this needs to be done at 10yrds or more to show it clearer.  Then I do another exercise for RDS/irons pick up and stuff like that.  Hard to pay attention to each part all at once. 

correction, 2 shots at 5 yards in 6 seconds, not 2 seconds.

"  I use the NRA B-8C(P) target   "

   Recommend using a silhouette target.
Our B-21 is down hallway to office wall, 3' to 50' distance.

    SANE Humans instinctively, logically and morally have natural inhibitions about killing, (Luke Brian "Most people are good").
Ya gotta admit that there's something wrong with you if you WANT to kill.

   Look at stats from WW1 and WW2  compared to Korea and Vietnam era where the target was no longer a circle but changed to a silhouette.
Historically, WW's had less soldiers even firing their weapons than future conflicts.
Yes I researched it, you can too !
The key to conditioning is through desensitization in training. (Please see mass / criminal shooters gaming history)


"When I dry fire, I  focus to see of the' to ' sight moves when I press the trigger "
     SIRT has to be one f the best training devices I've acquired.

I have a P365.   

I just got done practicing in my garage.  The farthest I can practice is 5 yards.  I use the NRA B-8C(P) target taped to the laundry sink wall.  I stand with my back to the closed garage door.  For longer distances I figure I can stand in my kitchen and practice dry firing out into my back yard through the sliding door.  My subdivision is designed where my backdoor neighbor's house sits on a berm.  If he is nosey enough, he would see me doing dry-fire in my kitchen.

I hope he don't call HPD, ATF, FBI, CIA, and governor newsome.  Oh, and Canada's Trudeau.

You can also practice on reduced sized targets, scaled for further distances. Lots available and many competition shooters use. I have a bunch of reduced IPSC targets if you want to try.

correction, 2 shots at 5 yards in 6 seconds, not 2 seconds.

Whew!  That I think I can do.  Da adda one, I dunno.