Applied for handgun permit on 12/18/23. Completed new approved firearms safety course on 12/14/24. HPD says can’t pickup permit until 1/22/24 because the chief of police has to sign off on the new gun law revisions. Is this more BS?

Jones

Applied for handgun permit on 12/18/23. Completed new approved firearms safety course on 12/14/24. HPD says can’t pickup permit on until 1/22/24 because the chief of police has to sign off on the new gun law revisions. Is this more BS?

Jones

Yes.  I believe there is a thread here where the NAGR is taking action on Chief Logan if he don't get his sh*t together.

https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=52370.0

Applied for handgun permit on 12/18/23. Completed new approved firearms safety course on 12/14/24. HPD says can’t pickup permit on until 1/22/24 because the chief of police has to sign off on the new gun law revisions. Is this more BS?

Jones

It would seem to be.  There is room for reasonable delay in government processes but when it becomes unreasonable because the government is doing a bad job or a slow job then they start to run into BS territory.

"seem"?

It would seem to be.  There is room for reasonable delay in government processes but when it becomes unreasonable because the government is doing a bad job or a slow job then they start to run into BS territory.

"seem"?

Yes, seem. Because I don't know the whole process that goes into everything they do and without that it is hard for me to say it is or is not reasonable, thus I said it seems BS

I could say $15 is much for a hamburger but if I don't know what went into that hamburger then I could be talking out my ass.

"could"?

Yes, seem. Because I don't know the whole process that goes into everything they do and without that it is hard for me to say it is or is not reasonable, thus I said it seems BS

I could say $15 is much for a hamburger but if I don't know what went into that hamburger then I could be talking out my ass.

Yes, seem. Because I don't know the whole process that goes into everything they do and without that it is hard for me to say it is or is not reasonable, thus I said it seems BS

I could say $15 is much for a hamburger but if I don't know what went into that hamburger then I could be talking out my ass.

So why even post about your whataboutism?  Is it just cause you like to type stuff and feel like you're contributing?

Yes, seem. Because I don't know the whole process that goes into everything they do and without that it is hard for me to say it is or is not reasonable, thus I said it seems BS

I could say $15 is much for a hamburger but if I don't know what went into that hamburger then I could be talking out my ass.

You've never taken any college economics classes, have you?

"... I don't know what went into that hamburger  ..."

That's not how the market works at all.  Someone can charge $15 per burger to cover their actual costs of $10, including overhead and retail wages, and make $5 profit, or they can spend $7 to make each burger and make $8 profit. 

All that matters is whether the customer -- you -- are willing and able to pay $15 for that burger.  If you feel the need to analyze "what went into that hamburger" to make that decision, fine.  Most people compare the burger itself -- taste, size, etc. -- to other burgers being offered for sale.  The price is not a function of what the maker spent, but what value you see compared to other options.

$15 for a burger that's almost exactly like another at $10 is, based on end result, too much.

Carry that over to government services -- specifically gun permits and registrations.  When compared to half the states that have Constitutional Carry, Hawaii is not providing anything extra to justify that "cost" to gun buyers/owners.  Even their (your) rationale that the registry helps solve crimes doesn't hold water. 

Nothing that is on a registration is unique to other sources of the same exact information.  Watch a Cop or Courtroom show that uses real-life cases.  You'll see how possession of unregistered firearms is easy enough to establish using FFL records from area stores, receipts from sporting goods stores for ammo, friends, family and coworkers who have seen you with a firearm, fingerprints on a recovered firearm or shell casing, etc. etc.

As of January 1, 2019, seven states and the District of Columbia required individuals to register their ownership of certain firearms with local law enforcement agencies.  Is it your belief that 43 states which do not require firearm registration have no way of solving gun crimes?

So, to answer your question, it IS NOT reasonable for this state to place so many burdens on the gun-owning residents when so many others offer the same right and freedom without such bureaucracy.

So why even post about your whataboutism?  Is it just cause you like to type stuff and feel like you're contributing?

Not a whataboutism so your question is moot.

So, to answer your question, it IS NOT reasonable for this state to place so many burdens on the gun-owning residents when so many others offer the same right and freedom without such bureaucracy.

Show me where I asked any question.

You've never taken a cooking class have you?
Ingredients go into the cost of a burger and time goes into the cost of the burger. If I walked into a store, looked at a hamburger and said it wasn't worth a certain price without knowing what went into the burger then I would be as you said, "It’s What You Know for Sure That Just Ain’t So."

Show me where I asked any question.

You've never taken a cooking class have you?
Ingredients go into the cost of a burger and time goes into the cost of the burger. If I walked into a store, looked at a hamburger and said it wasn't worth a certain price without knowing what went into the burger then I would be as you said, "It’s What You Know for Sure That Just Ain’t So."

I've worked in food service from age 16 to 22.  Burger and sub shop, Ice Cream and Dairy, Pizza Hut and one other pizza place in college, a bowling alley snack bar as the lone cook, and the restaurant my grandmother owned..

I don't need a "class" on cooking.  I bet I can cook better than you any day.

As a business, if you can't keep costs down or offer the customers something they agree is better, they will go elsewhere. 

Are you saying you'd pay $15 for the same burger at EEF's Grill which you can get at Flapp's Foodery for $10 as long as you believe the ingredients are better and the amount of time they take to prepare it justifies the higher price?

Must be nice to afford to throw money away like that.

There's a sucker born every minute.

I've worked in food service from age 16 to 22.  Burger and sub shop, Ice Cream and Dairy, Pizza Hut and one other pizza place in college, a bowling alley snack bar as the lone cook, and the restaurant my grandmother owned..

I don't need a "class" on cooking.  I bet I can cook better than you any day.

As a business, if you can't keep costs down or offer the customers something they agree is better, they will go elsewhere. 

Are you saying you'd pay $15 for the same burger at EEF's Grill which you can get at Flapp's Foodery for $10 as long as you believe the ingredients are better and the amount of time they take to prepare it justifies the higher price?

Must be nice to afford to throw money away like that.

There's a sucker born every minute.

Swoosh!
Why are you so argumentative?

 

I'll put my cooking up against yours anyday

Swoosh!
Why are you so argumentative?

 

I'll put my cooking up against yours anyday

Hahahhahhaha. Is that what u think? Swoooossshhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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