SB2314 Bill introduced for pilot Digital ID program (Read 1711 times)

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SB2314 Bill introduced for pilot Digital ID program
« on: January 30, 2024, 11:34:46 AM »

changemyoil66

Re: SB2314 Bill introduced for pilot Digital ID program
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2024, 11:44:06 AM »
B4 the state does this, they should instead allow for license renewals to be done online.  My friend in WA renewed his license online and it was mailed to him.  He didn't have to take off from work and go to the DMV or Satelite CIty.

Q

Re: SB2314 Bill introduced for pilot Digital ID program
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2024, 01:01:00 PM »
B4 the state does this, they should instead allow for license renewals to be done online.  My friend in WA renewed his license online and it was mailed to him.  He didn't have to take off from work and go to the DMV or Satelite CIty.


Elefante: spoke with aide and then legislative advisor. They mentioned the intention behind the bill is to specifically legalize the use of digital forms of ID in place of hardcopy IDs. The examples provided were insurance cards and drivers licenses. When informed that people can already utilize digital copies of their insurance, stated it would legalize DIDs not currently recognized. Brought up use for government employees. When asked about the law enforcement component, stated that it was in reference to using DID in place of hard copy drivers licenses and the like. When asked about potential for falsified IDs potentially being created/utilized, stated not aware of any problems in other states that already have DID. When asked what stop gaps would be implemented to ensure that DID would not be weaponized utilized for the justification/implementation of more stringent forms of DID, i.e. surveillance/facial recognition, they stated the bill would not do that and such claims were based on stoking fears related to DID, specifically on social media.

Chang: Spoke with aide. Asked similar questions to Elefanteʻs aide; was told they would send me an email and quickly got off the phone.

Decoite: Call answered, but no one speaking; phone/headset broken maybe?

Favella: their interpretation of the bill is that it specifically relates to facilitating the legal use of a DID in lieu of hardcopy ID in places where it is not currently recognized; i.e. airports. It was mentioned that they suspect that RID (aka the star on Hawaii IDs) will be transitioned to digital devices in the future. When asked about concerns, specifically the potential for the facilitation of more extreme use of DID, i.e. facial recognition and surveillance, and if stop gaps would be put into place to prevent future legislation for implementing such things, they mentioned they would get more clarification from Favella and follow up.

Hashimoto: aide will look more into the bill and provide insight from Hashimotoʻs perspective; requested personal perspective related to intention behind the bill and what stop gaps will be put in place to prevent future legislation from implementing more extreme versions of DID in Hawaiʻi; i.e. facial recognition and surveillance. Requested followup via email.

Moriwaki: No answer.

San Buenaventura: Spoke with aide. Could not provide insight. Inquired if I was the first office called; recommended I speak with Elefanteʻs office, which they were informed his office was already called. Requested followup via email on San Buenaventuraʻs perspective behind bills intention and concerns previously mentioned. Was told no response is guaranteed, but they would try their best.

Waikai: Spoke with aide. Same points as previous offices, yet this one took an interesting turn. When referencing more extreme uses of DID, they demanded requested examples, for which China was referenced. When they stated they arenʻt aware of extreme uses of DID being utilized in the US, I stated there are allegedly sections of the US that do, in fact, utilize DID in a similar capacity; demanded requested that I provide examples, so I stated that if correspondence is established, I can do some research into counties/cities/states where such instances have occurred. When restating the message that would be provided to Wakai, somehow initially spun my words to say "he is afraid that DID will be used to spy on citizens." Had to correct her and clarify that these are not my personal fears; restated that it is a fear mentioned within the community, specifically that DID will lay foundations for potential extreme use of DID, such as the justification for increased surveillance and facial recognition technology in communities. Had to restate this 2-3 times. Also had to reiterate that my primary intention is to gain insight into each co-introducing senatorʻs perspective in relation to the bill, so that I completely understand their intentions and that I do not participate in any misinformation/disinformation that may be circulating. Stated they would respond via email.

Aquino: Need a nap. Passing the baton to one of you to call any senator that wasnʻt reached.

changemyoil66

Re: SB2314 Bill introduced for pilot Digital ID program
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2024, 01:38:28 PM »
If you look at it this way, when you get an ID, they now have a picture of you that they can use for CCP like purposes.  Same goes when you apply for your first gun, HPD takes a pic of you and your prints.

So even if a DID could be weaponized, they already have all what they need.  What you should bring up is are digital CCW permits are fine too then right? And watch how quickly they say no (Wakai, Elephante, and like anti 2a people).

Q

Re: SB2314 Bill introduced for pilot Digital ID program
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2024, 02:35:10 PM »
If you look at it this way, when you get an ID, they now have a picture of you that they can use for CCP like purposes.  Same goes when you apply for your first gun, HPD takes a pic of you and your prints.

So even if a DID could be weaponized, they already have all what they need.  What you should bring up is are digital CCW permits are fine too then right? And watch how quickly they say no (Wakai, Elephante, and like anti 2a people).

I initiated inquiries; I'm not the spokesperson for 2aH or any other individual or organization on this forum. Those are questions you and others can ask for themselves or include include in testimony related to the bill, should you decide to write any.

Q

Re: SB2314 Bill introduced for pilot Digital ID program
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2024, 02:40:23 PM »

Elefante: spoke with aide and then legislative advisor. They mentioned the intention behind the bill is to specifically legalize the use of digital forms of ID in place of hardcopy IDs. The examples provided were insurance cards and drivers licenses. When informed that people can already utilize digital copies of their insurance, stated it would legalize DIDs not currently recognized. Brought up use for government employees. When asked about the law enforcement component, stated that it was in reference to using DID in place of hard copy drivers licenses and the like. When asked about potential for falsified IDs potentially being created/utilized, stated not aware of any problems in other states that already have DID. When asked what stop gaps would be implemented to ensure that DID would not be weaponized utilized for the justification/implementation of more stringent forms of DID, i.e. surveillance/facial recognition, they stated the bill would not do that and such claims were based on stoking fears related to DID, specifically on social media.

Chang: Spoke with aide. Asked similar questions to Elefanteʻs aide; was told they would send me an email and quickly got off the phone.

Decoite: Call answered, but no one speaking; phone/headset broken maybe?

Favella: their interpretation of the bill is that it specifically relates to facilitating the legal use of a DID in lieu of hardcopy ID in places where it is not currently recognized; i.e. airports. It was mentioned that they suspect that RID (aka the star on Hawaii IDs) will be transitioned to digital devices in the future. When asked about concerns, specifically the potential for the facilitation of more extreme use of DID, i.e. facial recognition and surveillance, and if stop gaps would be put into place to prevent future legislation for implementing such things, they mentioned they would get more clarification from Favella and follow up.

Hashimoto: aide will look more into the bill and provide insight from Hashimotoʻs perspective; requested personal perspective related to intention behind the bill and what stop gaps will be put in place to prevent future legislation from implementing more extreme versions of DID in Hawaiʻi; i.e. facial recognition and surveillance. Requested followup via email.

Moriwaki: No answer.

San Buenaventura: Spoke with aide. Could not provide insight. Inquired if I was the first office called; recommended I speak with Elefanteʻs office, which they were informed his office was already called. Requested followup via email on San Buenaventuraʻs perspective behind bills intention and concerns previously mentioned. Was told no response is guaranteed, but they would try their best.

Waikai: Spoke with aide. Same points as previous offices, yet this one took an interesting turn. When referencing more extreme uses of DID, they demanded requested examples, for which China was referenced. When they stated they arenʻt aware of extreme uses of DID being utilized in the US, I stated there are allegedly sections of the US that do, in fact, utilize DID in a similar capacity; demanded requested that I provide examples, so I stated that if correspondence is established, I can do some research into counties/cities/states where such instances have occurred. When restating the message that would be provided to Wakai, somehow initially spun my words to say "he is afraid that DID will be used to spy on citizens." Had to correct her and clarify that these are not my personal fears; restated that it is a fear mentioned within the community, specifically that DID will lay foundations for potential extreme use of DID, such as the justification for increased surveillance and facial recognition technology in communities. Had to restate this 2-3 times. Also had to reiterate that my primary intention is to gain insight into each co-introducing senatorʻs perspective in relation to the bill, so that I completely understand their intentions and that I do not participate in any misinformation/disinformation that may be circulating. Stated they would respond via email.

Aquino: Need a nap. Passing the baton to one of you to call any senator that wasnʻt reached.


Favella update: received a call back; only office to do so this far. Stated they spoke with Favella and confirmed initial perceptions that support for the bill (on his part) directly relates to facilitating legal use of digital forms of ID. They also stated Favella acknowledges the concerns related to the potential weaponization of DID based on precedents set by other states and countries, which will be taken into consideration when voting. Thus far, Favella is the only senator who has acknowledged consideration of these concerns and not spoken as if they are simply conspiracy theories.

changemyoil66

Re: SB2314 Bill introduced for pilot Digital ID program
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2024, 03:32:20 PM »

Favella update: received a call back; only office to do so this far. Stated they spoke with Favella and confirmed initial perceptions that support for the bill (on his part) directly relates to facilitating legal use of digital forms of ID. They also stated Favella acknowledges the concerns related to the potential weaponization of DID based on precedents set by other states and countries, which will be taken into consideration when voting. Thus far, Favella is the only senator who has acknowledged consideration of these concerns and not spoken as if they are simply conspiracy theories.

Favella at 1 time was the only R in the senate.  Funny how conspiracy theories are coming from Elefante who is a D.  How many other times in general have D's called things CT's and yet they came out to be true?

hvybarrels

Re: SB2314 Bill introduced for pilot Digital ID program
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2024, 03:38:15 PM »
who’s excited for social credit scores and government crypto?

Especially after what happened during the Canadian trucker protest when they debanked people and got them fired for simply donating to the cause

It’s 2024. If someone calls something a conspiracy theory that means it’s most likely true and they are intentionally lying about it
Is an armadillo just a tactical opossum?