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SInce you believe in a shooting test, think about this. Right now there is only 1 place that is open to the public instructors to do any sort of shooting test.  Xring only allows their instructors.  The bays at KHSC are closed and you cannot do your test at the 25 min yard line on the pistol side.  Also the bays have something about only non-profit groups using them (exclude HPD and armored car, etc...) which means unless a CCW instructor teaches for free, then they are accepting $.  Then there are a few private lands, but this isn't open to all CCW instructors. You basically gotta have the hook up to teach there.

So if the only place ever decided to do what X ring does, then to do your shooting test would be very difficult and there will be more of a monopoly.  Of course, at 1 point, this range was also closed. So things happen in general that stops them from being "open to the public".

Compare this to NV that also requires a shooting test that many ranges let any instructor use them, or they could go to the public Cook County Range that lets people holster draw and much closer targets, or even go into the desert to shoot.

HI doesn't have these "available" options.  What if the indoor ranges want to increase prices?  Nothing stops them if they were to work together.

THen when covid shut everything down, no one would be able to do your test since the ranges were all closed. Good luck getting a RSVP to HPD also.  Guess the 2A right you think you support is denied at the time.

These are all just some issues when a test is required to exercise a right.

I wouldn't say it is the worst decision ever. They made a decision that raises some issues with the Bruen case but it doesn't outright contradict it either since Bruen didn't make any mention of whether permits to carry are constitutional or not (If I understand the case correctly)

My problem is with the line of reasoning used, that the Aloha Spirit somehow trumps the US Supreme Court and that old timey founding father's language can be tossed away if modern ideas conflict.

I forgot to add, you should read the entire opinion. Long story short, the HI SC is saying they are disregarding multiple SCOTUS rulings. So why even have a SCOTUS?

yeah. that's why I don't socialize with any of y'all people

it was good seeing you on the range.       

yeah, on the one hand, I support TX giving the finger to the feds on the southern border, however, Hawaii giving the finger to SCOTUS on 2a, I think that's banana republic arrogance.

quandary.   

it was good seeing you on the range.       

You are not of the y'all people 

yeah, on the one hand, I support TX giving the finger to the feds on the southern border, however, Hawaii giving the finger to SCOTUS on 2a, I think that's banana republic arrogance.

quandary.   

When the Hawaii SC gave the "Aloha Spirit middle finger" to SCOTUS on 2a, Hawaii has shown for all to see their true colors.

I'm sure if Hawaii were to ever experience a SHTF or WROL scenario, the "Aloha Spirit middle finger" will protect them from harm.

It's the "worst 2a decision ever".  You left "2a" out.  Just making sure because I'm sure you're right that it's not the "worst decision ever".

Since Bruen set a new way of making 2a related cases, this changes everything becasue cases prior to Bruen, the state could use "public safety" to justify any anti 2a law.  Now post Bruen, they cannot do that, even though in this decisions, the judge is.

True, I forgot to include the 2A part. There are definitely worse decisions.

You ask why even have a SCOTUS... SCOTUS can change their minds but they generally have to have a case that works its way up so it is possible that the HI SCOTUS was trying to push an issue up to the SCOTUS for a final ruling though given that the composition of the court hasn't changed it would not be strategically very smart. I don't think that was their intent though.

Wouldn’t this 5-0 ruling on Wilson by the HISC fit the definition of insurrection?

Wouldn’t this 5-0 ruling on Wilson by the HISC fit the definition of insurrection?

No

No

Maybe sedition then?

Maybe sedition then?

Not really.
Think about it this way, the SCOTUS has made unconstitutional decisions in the past. The way of rectifying those is for a new case to work its way up the ranks. If every time a lower court went against a SCOTUS decision was considered sedition or insurrection then old unconstitutional decisions wouldn't get overturned. This is how our courts work.

On top of that the HI SC didn't defy a ruling from SCOTUS either. The real problem is if SCOTUS ruled something and a lower court refused to comply with the ruling and state government disobeyed the SCOTUS ruling.

This Wilson decision tells me the current HISC judges are definitely a bunch of addlepates.

On top of that the HI SC didn't defy a ruling from SCOTUS either. The real problem is if SCOTUS ruled something and a lower court refused to comply with the ruling and state government disobeyed the SCOTUS ruling.

DId you read the brief?

This Wilson decision tells me the current HISC judges are definitely a bunch of addlepates.

Learned another word to describe joe biden today.

Learned another word to describe joe biden today.

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Had to Google that word too.

It's always fun when words sound like their meaning

I wonder if the AG or senators will bring this up in tomorrows hearing to justify an awb.

I wonder if the AG or senators will bring this up in tomorrows hearing to justify an awb.

I haven't been to a hearing in a while. It used to be McCarthy would get a chance after every pro-2a argument to offer a rebuttal, but nobody was allowed to rebut his rebuttal. Definitely feels like we had the deck stacked against us, but I think the sheer force of numbers was our reason for success.

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