FIRE MISSION ASSAULT WEAPON BAN HEARING 2/14 @3PM (Read 26229 times)

changemyoil66

FIRE MISSION ASSAULT WEAPON BAN HEARING 2/14 @3PM
« on: February 09, 2024, 06:52:11 PM »
SB3196

THIS BANS SEMI AUTO RIFLES AND SHOTGUNS. ALSO BANS PARTS FOR ANY SEMI AUTO RIFLE. YOU ALSO CANNOT SEND THE RIFLE OUT OF STATE AND BRING IT BACK IN.

Testimony due by 2/13 @ 3pm (24hrs prior to the hearing).

What this means...if your rifle breaks, you cannot get any replacement parts to fix it. Nor can you take it out of state for repairs or events and have it brought back to Hawaii.

https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=SB&billnumber=3196&year=2024

Click on the link. Sign in and click submit testomony.

Also anyone with a HI legal "assault pistol", the fixed mag cannot accept more than 10rds.

Call all your friends to let them know.

This is the big one this year.



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ren

Re: FIRE MISSION ASSAULT WEAPON BAN HEARING 2/14 @3PM
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2024, 07:09:33 PM »
Submitted to those madafakaz
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rpoL98

Re: FIRE MISSION ASSAULT WEAPON BAN HEARING 2/14 @3PM
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2024, 08:25:00 PM »
I don't think it technically bans spare parts, but no gun parts vendor (e.g. Brownells, etc) in their right mind is going to sell you gun parts for a gun that's perceived as illegal.  Just think how hard it is to get 30rd AR-15 mags right now, even though legal here, most gun parts vendors prefer to err on the side of being safe from legal liability just because the law is confusing, when you have to keep track of what's legal, what's not, in all 50 states.  10-rd mag limit for semi-auto rifles, but then you're not going to be able to buy any AR's in the future anyways.

SB3196 will also ban pistols with threaded barrels.  Think compensators & brakes.  Semi-auto pistols weighing more than 50 ounces will be banned: that encompasses Desert Eagles (XIX).

and it will also ban 50 cal Barrett M82s, M107s.  It has a very very long laundry list of firearms that are banned specifically by name-or-model, and then banned by general features, just in case they missed any.

This is a bad one.

keep your submitted testimony handy, every time they revise it, you'll have to re-submit your testimony again.  It is a PITA, but that's what they are counting in, "ainokea" and "ain't nobody got time for dat".

Karl Rhoads is going for broke, he's all-in on this one.

changemyoil66

Re: FIRE MISSION ASSAULT WEAPON BAN HEARING 2/14 @3PM
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2024, 08:38:56 PM »
I don't think it technically bans spare parts, but no gun parts vendor (e.g. Brownells, etc) in their right mind is going to sell you gun parts for a gun that's perceived as illegal.  Just think how hard it is to get 30rd AR-15 mags right now, even though legal here, most gun parts vendors prefer to err on the side of being safe from legal liability just because the law is confusing, when you have to keep track of what's legal, what's not, in all 50 states.  10-rd mag limit for semi-auto rifles, but then you're not going to be able to buy any AR's in the future anyways.

SB3196 will also ban pistols with threaded barrels.  Think compensators & brakes.  Semi-auto pistols weighing more than 50 ounces will be banned: that encompasses Desert Eagles (XIX).

and it will also ban 50 cal Barrett M82s, M107s.  It has a very very long laundry list of firearms that are banned specifically by name-or-model, and then banned by general features, just in case they missed any.

This is a bad one.

keep your submitted testimony handy, every time they revise it, you'll have to re-submit your testimony again.  It is a PITA, but that's what they are counting in, "ainokea" and "ain't nobody got time for dat".

Karl Rhoads is going for broke, he's all-in on this one.
It does ban parts.

This is Wakais bill. Rhodes name isnt on this one.

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oldfart

Re: FIRE MISSION ASSAULT WEAPON BAN HEARING 2/14 @3PM
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2024, 09:36:50 PM »
Of course I will submit testimony in opposition.
But this is so outrageous, could it be a diversion?

I'm just an old retired guy trying to live my happy life.
I am not a politician or lawyer.
But I have seen sneaky and disgusting political and legal crap in my life.
I know this because I was involved.

A friend of mine went into politics a few years ago and I told him to "watch your back."
About a year later he said, "I remembered what you said", and thanked me.
What, Me Worry?

E808AN

Re: FIRE MISSION ASSAULT WEAPON BAN HEARING 2/14 @3PM
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2024, 09:56:07 PM »
If you go in person for this 3pm testimony how much earlier will you have to show up to the capital... I have class that starts at 430. Does even showing up on zoom help. Could I submit a zoom testimony and a written testimony.

Q

Re: FIRE MISSION ASSAULT WEAPON BAN HEARING 2/14 @3PM
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2024, 11:50:49 PM »
It does ban parts.

This is Wakais bill. Rhodes name isnt on this one.

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Rhoads is the secret author behind this bill

changemyoil66

Re: FIRE MISSION ASSAULT WEAPON BAN HEARING 2/14 @3PM
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2024, 12:50:37 AM »
Rhoads is the secret author behind this bill
Its based off the federal gun bill and we are seeing very similar bills in other states. Like how the sensitive places bill all had similar language.

The anti 2a movement is behind the bill. Wakai was given the bill by them.

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changemyoil66

Re: FIRE MISSION ASSAULT WEAPON BAN HEARING 2/14 @3PM
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2024, 12:51:54 AM »
If you go in person for this 3pm testimony how much earlier will you have to show up to the capital... I have class that starts at 430. Does even showing up on zoom help. Could I submit a zoom testimony and a written testimony.
Yes, attending via zoom will help. I doubt this bill will be heard quickly. Prob looking at 3:45 at the soonest.

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oldfart

Re: FIRE MISSION ASSAULT WEAPON BAN HEARING 2/14 @3PM
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2024, 02:26:45 AM »
Its based off the federal gun bill and we are seeing very similar bills in other states. Like how the sensitive places bill all had similar language.

The anti 2a movement is behind the bill. Wakai was given the bill by them.

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I think this is the situation here.
Biden is pushing the states to ban guns on a local level since this doesn't fly on a national level.
Of course, since he has control over federal dollars, that is his leverage.
Like I said earlier, politics is a dirty, ugly, disgusting business.
What, Me Worry?

hvybarrels

Re: FIRE MISSION ASSAULT WEAPON BAN HEARING 2/14 @3PM
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2024, 02:42:02 AM »
Is there a HIFICO email list I can get on? I stay the hell away from social media because they are all owned by the same multinationals that wrote this bill.
Sharing is caring, but forced redistribution is communism.

rpoL98

Re: FIRE MISSION ASSAULT WEAPON BAN HEARING 2/14 @3PM
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2024, 03:51:55 AM »
just to spell out a little more detail, this bill bans:
all AR-types (-15, -10) and anything that looks like an AR, like the HK's, POF's, SIG 516's, DD, etc.
FN FAL's
all AK-types
Tavors, Galils, HK91, HK93, etc.

a long list of semi-auto shotguns, like Saigas, etc.

and a whole lot more, identified by name and model, or type.

if it's semi-auto, it's probably on the list, go check it yourself.  also pistols.

some of the items listed as new additions are already illegal here in HI, so obviously the text of this bill was cut and pasted from some mainland organizations anti-2A template.

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Banning magazines with capacities of more than 10 rounds does nothing to address the real issues of crime in Hawaii and is only trying to fix a problem that doesn’t exist. Banning larger-capacity ammunition magazines won’t reduce the number of shootings, any more than banning alcohol reduced alcohol-related fatalities.
I urge you to oppose this measure and to work to repeal the current nonsense law of pistol magazine restrictions for the safety and welfare of Hawaii residents.

law "burdens the core of the Second Amendment by criminalizing the acquisition and possession of these magazines that are commonly held by law-abiding citizens for defense of self, home, and state."

Law abiding gun owners in Hawaii are left more susceptible to harm or death by being limited in their means of self-defense, criminals who are intent on doing harm will not follow this same law.

Magazines that hold more than 10 rounds are considered standard and that many firearms are not available with magazines that hold fewer than 10 rounds.  This law does nothing more than penalize law-abiding citizens while criminalizing components of handguns they own that were previously legal.

oldfart

Re: FIRE MISSION ASSAULT WEAPON BAN HEARING 2/14 @3PM
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2024, 04:01:25 AM »
Is there a HIFICO email list I can get on? I stay the hell away from social media because they are all owned by the same multinationals that wrote this bill.
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social media is useful for actual socializing and advertising up to a point
beyond that it's just BS

When social media started, I had coworkers distracted while I had to catch all their mistakes.
So I never did social media until after I retired.
Now I'm finding out about all the people I knew who died.
What, Me Worry?

zippz

Re: FIRE MISSION ASSAULT WEAPON BAN HEARING 2/14 @3PM
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2024, 07:33:17 AM »
FYI all semiauto rifles with a detachable magazine will be banned.

zippz

Re: FIRE MISSION ASSAULT WEAPON BAN HEARING 2/14 @3PM
« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2024, 07:49:22 AM »
The bill is actually kind of simple and there's nothing good in it.

Instead of talking about the bill, what is more important is what are all of the things you're going to do to stop it, besides giving testimony yourself.

oldfart

Re: FIRE MISSION ASSAULT WEAPON BAN HEARING 2/14 @3PM
« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2024, 08:20:22 AM »
I printed out some handouts to pass out at the range but I won't get there until after noon.
What, Me Worry?

QUIETShooter

Re: FIRE MISSION ASSAULT WEAPON BAN HEARING 2/14 @3PM
« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2024, 09:39:51 AM »
The bill is actually kind of simple and there's nothing good in it.

Instead of talking about the bill, what is more important is what are all of the things you're going to do to stop it, besides giving testimony yourself.

I think this is an excellent idea.  However, I'm quite naive as to how to go about it.  Should I just state things like supporting groups who will actively oppose the legislation in court?  Talking to my friends, co-workers to get them involved?  Contacting my representatives personally?

Are these credible things to include in the testimony or is there other things that can be included.

I was thinking stating that banning essentially all semi-autos with detachable magazines as discriminatory.  And that the problem is criminals getting ahold of these firearms because they do not follow laws.  I was thinking suggesting apply all their (politicians) energies, ideas, and resources to curtailing that problem instead of enacting laws that affect law-abiding citizens.  Would this be a sensible argument against the ban of these weapons?

Whatever happens, I do plan to submit testimony.  But yeah, it looks like a national effort spearheaded by the biden (the retarded administration) to their kiss ass states that follow lockstep to this agenda with their noses so far up biden's and the demorat's ass.  Oh, and with their purses and wallets wide open.


Thanks for the suggestions.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

changemyoil66

Re: FIRE MISSION ASSAULT WEAPON BAN HEARING 2/14 @3PM
« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2024, 12:32:19 PM »
I think this is an excellent idea.  However, I'm quite naive as to how to go about it.  Should I just state things like supporting groups who will actively oppose the legislation in court?  Talking to my friends, co-workers to get them involved?  Contacting my representatives personally?

Are these credible things to include in the testimony or is there other things that can be included.

I was thinking stating that banning essentially all semi-autos with detachable magazines as discriminatory.  And that the problem is criminals getting ahold of these firearms because they do not follow laws.  I was thinking suggesting apply all their (politicians) energies, ideas, and resources to curtailing that problem instead of enacting laws that affect law-abiding citizens.  Would this be a sensible argument against the ban of these weapons?

Whatever happens, I do plan to submit testimony.  But yeah, it looks like a national effort spearheaded by the biden (the retarded administration) to their kiss ass states that follow lockstep to this agenda with their noses so far up biden's and the demorat's ass.  Oh, and with their purses and wallets wide open.


Thanks for the suggestions.
Do all of this.

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changemyoil66

Re: FIRE MISSION ASSAULT WEAPON BAN HEARING 2/14 @3PM
« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2024, 12:33:01 PM »
I printed out some handouts to pass out at the range but I won't get there until after noon.
Awesome. Look at what people are shooting and if its a semi auto rifle or pistol with a threaded barrel, let them know.

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zippz

Re: FIRE MISSION ASSAULT WEAPON BAN HEARING 2/14 @3PM
« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2024, 02:08:56 PM »
Another thing to do is get gun stores to oppose the legislation and have their customers do the same.

I tell gun stores to do it, and very few do.  It helps when a lot of customers demand it.
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