SB3196 - Testimony Numbers Manipulation (Read 5007 times)

Q

Re: SB3196 - Testimony Numbers Manipulation
« Reply #20 on: March 01, 2024, 06:49:16 AM »


A second search was conducted using the the keyword "OPPOSE"; that triggered 1,376 hits throughout the pdf. Someone else can count those.



Got a head start and stopped on page 689 because my eyes hurt.

Thus far, ~500 testimonies in opposition. We have approximately 1500 more pages to go through


I am not seeing the alleged trend of "the majority of Hawaiʻi wants these weapons banned" being justified in the actual counts. Therefore, how could this have passed unless those who wrote and supported the bill were going to vote yes on it anyway; the same individuals who happen to occupy the committees in which these bills pass through? Must be Trumpʻs fault.

oldfart

Re: SB3196 - Testimony Numbers Manipulation
« Reply #21 on: March 01, 2024, 07:13:54 AM »
On Tuesday when we visited the capitol, we went to Rhoads office.
When the 4 of us walked in, Rhoads looked at us, put on a mask and scurried out the back door.
Maybe he just had to use the restroom. :rofl:
He did return eventually. Then we confronted him with Q's observations.

When we dropped in on Brenton, he was in shorts and t-shirt eating a poke bowl. :shaka:

True story
What, Me Worry?

macsak

Re: SB3196 - Testimony Numbers Manipulation
« Reply #22 on: March 01, 2024, 07:32:06 AM »
what was rhoads' reaction?

On Tuesday when we visited the capitol, we went to Rhoads office.
When the 4 of us walked in, Rhoads looked at us, put on a mask and scurried out the back door.
Maybe he just had to use the restroom. :rofl:
He did return eventually. Then we confronted him with Q's observations.

When we dropped in on Brenton, he was in shorts and t-shirt eating a poke bowl. :shaka:

True story

oldfart

Re: SB3196 - Testimony Numbers Manipulation
« Reply #23 on: March 01, 2024, 07:40:33 AM »
what was rhoads' reaction?
...
Concerned.
But he had a mask on so it hid his facial expressions and he mumbled something.
During the hearings, I noticed his hands trembling a lot.
Does he have Parkinson's?
What, Me Worry?

changemyoil66

Re: SB3196 - Testimony Numbers Manipulation
« Reply #24 on: March 01, 2024, 07:41:49 AM »


I am not seeing the alleged trend of "the majority of Hawaiʻi wants these weapons banned" being justified in the actual counts. Therefore, how could this have passed unless those who wrote and supported the bill were going to vote yes on it anyway; the same individuals who happen to occupy the committees in which these bills pass through? Must be Trumpʻs fault.

It's another lie the anti 2a are using because HI doesn't want these banned.

Q

Re: SB3196 - Testimony Numbers Manipulation
« Reply #25 on: March 01, 2024, 07:42:35 AM »
Got a head start and stopped on page 689 because my eyes hurt.

Thus far, ~500 testimonies in opposition. We have approximately 1500 more pages to go through


I am not seeing the alleged trend of "the majority of Hawaiʻi wants these weapons banned" being justified in the actual counts. Therefore, how could this have passed unless those who wrote and supported the bill were going to vote yes on it anyway; the same individuals who happen to occupy the committees in which these bills pass through? Must be Trumpʻs fault.

That was a lot faster than I expected.


Finished scanning all 2403 pages. I counted ~1330 testimonies in opposition. For the purpose of this crude analysis, lets knock off the last 30 to account for +/- and "keep it fair".

Excluding the copy-paste emails, 91% of the testimonies were in opposition to this bill (~1300 vs ~120), making it the overwhelming majority of testimonies.


Along with bringing this up to legislators going fowardd, this info needs to make it to news outlets or individuals with large audiences that cares about the 2a, constitutional rights, Hawaiʻi or all in combination. They got caught not only lying about "what Hawaiʻi wants" (no surprise), but now we have tangible evidence for interference by an anti-2a lobby and, theoretically, the most and 2a Hawaiʻi legislator, in the citizen aspects of our legislative decision making process.
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QUIETShooter

Re: SB3196 - Testimony Numbers Manipulation
« Reply #26 on: March 01, 2024, 08:26:35 AM »
That was a lot faster than I expected.


Finished scanning all 2403 pages. I counted ~1330 testimonies in opposition. For the purpose of this crude analysis, lets knock off the last 30 to account for +/- and "keep it fair".

Excluding the copy-paste emails, 91% of the testimonies were in opposition to this bill (~1300 vs ~120), making it the overwhelming majority of testimonies.


Along with bringing this up to legislators going fowardd, this info needs to make it to news outlets or individuals with large audiences that cares about the 2a, constitutional rights, Hawaiʻi or all in combination. They got caught not only lying about "what Hawaiʻi wants" (no surprise), but now we have tangible evidence for interference by an anti-2a lobby and, theoretically, the most and 2a Hawaiʻi legislator, in the citizen aspects of our legislative decision making process.

This is amazing information.  Really appreciate your efforts and sharing of this information.  Thank you.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

macsak

Re: SB3196 - Testimony Numbers Manipulation
« Reply #27 on: March 01, 2024, 08:47:58 AM »
that's what she said...

That was a lot faster than I expected.


Finished scanning all 2403 pages. I counted ~1330 testimonies in opposition. For the purpose of this crude analysis, lets knock off the last 30 to account for +/- and "keep it fair".

Excluding the copy-paste emails, 91% of the testimonies were in opposition to this bill (~1300 vs ~120), making it the overwhelming majority of testimonies.


Along with bringing this up to legislators going fowardd, this info needs to make it to news outlets or individuals with large audiences that cares about the 2a, constitutional rights, Hawaiʻi or all in combination. They got caught not only lying about "what Hawaiʻi wants" (no surprise), but now we have tangible evidence for interference by an anti-2a lobby and, theoretically, the most and 2a Hawaiʻi legislator, in the citizen aspects of our legislative decision making process.

ren

Re: SB3196 - Testimony Numbers Manipulation
« Reply #28 on: March 01, 2024, 08:56:49 AM »
Thanks Q for the work.
Not the first time the State lied to us
https://hawaiifreepress.com/Articles-Daily-News/ID/40585/February-29-2024-News-Read

HNN: … Green’s office was unable to explain where he got the number of “illegal” rentals, which by his math was 75,000. But the Department of Business, Economic Development and Tourism said the numbers are similar to those calculated by a local hotel industry advocacy organization, the Hawaii Hotel Alliance.

If those units were clearly illegal, increased enforcement would be enough to force them back into the local housing market. But House Housing Chair Luke Evslin said that’s not the case on his home island, Kauai.

“There are certainly not enough illegal vacation rentals out there to really make a dent in the housing crisis,” he said. “Kauai has been wildly successful at essentially eliminating illegal vacation rentals.”…
Deeds Not Words

drck1000

Re: SB3196 - Testimony Numbers Manipulation
« Reply #29 on: March 01, 2024, 10:28:22 AM »
Would be interesting if committee members cite #support > #oppose as basis for their voting.  When in the past, #oppose >> #support and measures passed. . .

changemyoil66

Re: SB3196 - Testimony Numbers Manipulation
« Reply #30 on: March 01, 2024, 04:18:31 PM »
Would be interesting if committee members cite #support > #oppose as basis for their voting.  When in the past, #oppose >> #support and measures passed. . .

There was a covid related bill that Comrade Karl said "due to the overwhelming testimonies....".  There were about 60 testimonies for the bill in support.