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Bill passes and you have to turn in all your 30rd rifle mags to HPD with no compensation.

Bill passes and you have to spend $15 per mag to reduce them to 20rds via the Magpul -10rd adapter. Then epoxy the base so it's not "readily restorable".  I know a lot of guys with 100+mags. So that's $1500 at min they would have to spend.

Bill passes and you disassemble all magazines as you now have parts kits and hope lawsuits delete this bill/law.

Bill passes and you have to use other means to block the mags that might be cheaper than $15 per mag.  But it still cost you money and time.


 And since you will be a criminal with the stroke of Comrade Greens pen, you have to do all of this before he signs the bill into law.  And if he chooses not to, then you just wasted money.  Will HPD grant you amnesty for turning in all your mags?

So what, would you recommend that nobody should try to buy a gun right now? Because that was the question of the poster I was replying to.

So what, would you recommend that nobody should try to buy a gun right now? Because that was the question of the poster I was replying to.

I recommend buying a gun now.  It's a good decision to buy what you want sooner than later.  Because things happen that could prevent that.

But if the OP is concerned about any grandfather clause being removed, then hold off.

Whatever comes out from this Bill, the government should be responsible for all the expenses that would be incurred because they are the ones who introduced this bullsh*t.

They should compensate for all the firearms bought legally from gunowners.  They should compensate by either paying for the retrofit of 30 rd mags to 20 rd mags or offer to buy the 30 rd mags back from the owner.

They should do this.  They are the ones who started this whole fricken mess that will do nothing to deter crime or reduce their so called gun violence.

Whatever comes out from this Bill, the government should be responsible for all the expenses that would be incurred because they are the ones who introduced this bullsh*t.

They should compensate for all the firearms bought legally from gunowners.  They should compensate by either paying for the retrofit of 30 rd mags to 20 rd mags or offer to buy the 30 rd mags back from the owner.

They should do this.  They are the ones who started this whole fricken mess that will do nothing to deter crime or reduce their so called gun violence.

Funny how the anti 2a orgs never offered to help pay either to keep or change dangerous items.  But yet they can afford high priced lawyers like the one who works in the WH with Obama and not charge HI for the bill.  THis is easily costing $150,000+.

I think I'm going to point out how ridiculous it is that I'd be expected to modify my PS90 magazines from 50 to 20, in such a way that it couldn't be "readily reversed".

If I'm handy enough to modify a magazine capacity downwards, undoubtedly I'd be handy enough to modify it back too, right?

Without clear guidance on this stuff... There is no way I could know whether my modifications are A-OK or a walking felony. That level of legal ambiguity when the stakes are so high is absolutely unconscionable.

I think I'm going to point out how ridiculous it is that I'd be expected to modify my PS90 magazines from 50 to 20, in such a way that it couldn't be "readily reversed".

If I'm handy enough to modify a magazine capacity downwards, undoubtedly I'd be handy enough to modify it back too, right?

Without clear guidance on this stuff... There is no way I could know whether my modifications are A-OK or a walking felony. That level of legal ambiguity when the stakes are so high is absolutely unconscionable.

Depending on the state/fed court, "readily" is normally defined as being altered quickly and easily -- normally implying without the use of tools. 

As far as the Aloha State is concerned, it's whatever they say it means.

Interesting to see how they plan to enforce whatever bastardized concoction comes out of all of this if and when it comes out.

I think I'm going to point out how ridiculous it is that I'd be expected to modify my PS90 magazines from 50 to 20, in such a way that it couldn't be "readily reversed".

If I'm handy enough to modify a magazine capacity downwards, undoubtedly I'd be handy enough to modify it back too, right?

Without clear guidance on this stuff... There is no way I could know whether my modifications are A-OK or a walking felony. That level of legal ambiguity when the stakes are so high is absolutely unconscionable.

Correct, there's no way of knowing if your modification is sufficient or not, unless you get arrested.

Can PS90 mags even be modded?  Like does anyone make a blocker?

I think I'm going to point out how ridiculous it is that I'd be expected to modify my PS90 magazines from 50 to 20, in such a way that it couldn't be "readily reversed".

If I'm handy enough to modify a magazine capacity downwards, undoubtedly I'd be handy enough to modify it back too, right?

Without clear guidance on this stuff... There is no way I could know whether my modifications are A-OK or a walking felony. That level of legal ambiguity when the stakes are so high is absolutely unconscionable.

just FYI, possession of an illegal mag is a misdemeanor. only if inserted into a firearm its a felony.
also, due to last years sb1230, any criminal violation related to firearms means you lose your right to possess firearms and ammo for 20 years, so the misdemeanor might as well be a felony.

Lets all get on the same page here, If you are not a gunsmith, you are not "handy"(qualified probly better term) enough to modify magazines. or better yet, just state it isnt possible to block your magazines. throw in a "already own", some "law abiding citizens", and "making into criminals by passing this bill".

best case the bill gets killed, worst case it gets passed but they add grandfather for everything.

maybe have some safety concerns for DIY/homemade modifications to "assault weapon attachments" and magazines. might be a good angle to play.

maybe have some safety concerns for DIY/homemade modifications to "assault weapon attachments" and magazines. might be a good angle to play.

Like belt loops and broomsticks....

just FYI, possession of an illegal mag is a misdemeanor. only if inserted into a firearm its a felony.
also, due to last years sb1230, any criminal violation related to firearms means you lose your right to possess firearms and ammo for 20 years, so the misdemeanor might as well be a felony.

Lets all get on the same page here, If you are not a gunsmith, you are not "handy"(qualified probly better term) enough to modify magazines. or better yet, just state it isnt possible to block your magazines. throw in a "already own", some "law abiding citizens", and "making into criminals by passing this bill".

best case the bill gets killed, worst case it gets passed but they add grandfather for everything.

I think if HB2342 also passes and gets signed into law, having an illegal mag (which would be a misdemeanor) could easily turn into a Class C felony especially as a CCW license holder.

"§134-     Carrying of a firearm in the commission of a separate misdemeanor; penalty.  (a)  It shall be unlawful for a person to knowingly carry on the person or have within the person's immediate control a firearm while engaged in the commission of a separate misdemeanor offense, whether the firearm was loaded or not, and whether operable or not; provided that a person shall not be prosecuted under this section when the separate offense is an offense otherwise defined by this chapter or is the offense of criminally negligent storage of a firearm under section 707-714.5.

     (b)  A conviction and sentence under this section shall be in addition to and not in lieu of any conviction and sentence for the separate misdemeanor; provided that the sentence imposed under this section may run concurrently or consecutively with the sentence for the separate misdemeanor.

     (c)  Any person violating this section shall be guilty of a class C felony.

A magazine parts kit holds exactly zero rounds, for reference.

I wonder if we should send our senators the link to this post? Would that be a bad idea? I mean it's all good info here.

I wonder if we should send our senators the link to this post? Would that be a bad idea? I mean it's all good info here.

Other interested parties read the forum...

Well, I just got back a mailer daemon saying sens@capital.hawaii.gov was undeliverable.  That email address was taken off the on target notice that I got.I had forwarded that notice to the guys on my email address. I hope that some got through.Thats a mimum 100+ That is f'd up.

 At least I sent out a email to Joy so she got that message- never responded though( she never does)

Well, I just got back a mailer daemon saying sens@capital.hawaii.gov was undeliverable.  That email address was taken off the on target notice that I got.I had forwarded that notice to the guys on my email address. I hope that some got through.Thats a mimum 100+ That is f'd up.

 At least I sent out a email to Joy so she got that message- never responded though( she never does)

It's capitol, not capital

I just copied it exactly as what was written from the on target hawaii notice. Now I know. Too late.

I just copied it exactly as what was written from the on target hawaii notice. Now I know. Too late.

Still get another shot in the House. Can turn up the spice too. Stay legal of course, but they have to know the consequences are going to be worse than if they let down Soros

Scared politicians are useful politicians

Still get another shot in the House. Can turn up the spice too. Stay legal of course, but they have to know the consequences are going to be worse than if they let down Soros

Scared politicians are useful politicians

What consequences?

That they'll be voted out and lose access to the gravy train? Cause that's truly all they care about and based off the political makeup of this state's voters I'm sure these politicians aren't going to be concerned with someone from our side of the aisle as a political minority fuming in their testimony.

There's nothing wrong with calmly expressing how this legislation negatively affects you but being "spicy" or "heated" or whatever slang there is out there for just "being mad" isn't productive.

You're not wrong in that these politicians need to be reminded who their real bosses are but the reality right now is they have a reliable voting block of sheep that will keep them employed no matter what.