Defend our schools (Read 12703 times)

Jl808

Defend our schools
« on: December 21, 2012, 12:53:10 PM »
Just read LaPierre's commentary. What is  the National School Shield Program?  Sounds really interesting.

On a related note, can we start a petition to ask our legislators to support this or something similar? It would either be (1) to fund and assign police in all our schools, or (2) support a program where police officers, military or parents can provide volunteer security for the schools of their kids.

We need to do something.
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bryanhayn

Re: Defend our schools
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2012, 01:03:48 PM »
Just read LaPierre's commentary. What is  the National School Shield Program?  Sounds really interesting.

On a related note, can we start a petition to ask our legislators to support this or something similar? It would either be (1) to fund and assign police in all our schools, or (2) support a program where police officers, military or parents can provide volunteer security for the schools of their kids.

We need to do something.

 :thumbsup: Sounds good. If they can assign officers to stand on the road and do nothing when construction is going on then they can assign them to schools.

Haoleb

Re: Defend our schools
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2012, 01:50:30 PM »
:thumbsup: Sounds good. If they can assign officers to stand on the road and do nothing when construction is going on then they can assign them to schools.

I may be wrong but I believe that those officers you see are off duty and getting paid by the construction company, Just like those who escort large loads on the highways. Now, the 26 other state workers standing around watching one guy...  thats another story. Personally I would not want the type of officers I see around here at my childs school. They should be someone to set an example. The large majority of the local PD here would not qualify.

Jl808

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« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2012, 03:31:13 PM »
I may be wrong but I believe that those officers you see are off duty and getting paid by the construction company, Just like those who escort large loads on the highways. Now, the 26 other state workers standing around watching one guy...  thats another story. Personally I would not want the type of officers I see around here at my childs school. They should be someone to set an example. The large majority of the local PD here would not qualify.

Yes I'm pretty sure the officers at the job sites are rent-a-cops.. Paid by the construction companies who do public works projects, hence upstream it is still taxpayer monies (well indirectly anyway).
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Re: Defend our schools
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2012, 09:35:20 PM »
:thumbsup: Sounds good. If they can assign officers to stand on the road and do nothing when construction is going on then they can assign them to schools.


Yes, that is off duty work. Hired and paid for by private companies.

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Re: Defend our schools
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2012, 09:39:44 PM »
I know many High Schools here already have an assigned campus Police Officer...

Elementary/Intermediate schools... that would be alot of officers....

clshade

Re: Defend our schools
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2012, 11:08:12 PM »
Allowing CCW by all school employees would work.

Would probably work better. Doesn't matter if or how many faculty have weapons, just the fact that they ~might~ would be enough to stop most of the problems.

bryanhayn

Re: Defend our schools
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2012, 11:15:49 PM »
I may be wrong but I believe that those officers you see are off duty and getting paid by the construction company, Just like those who escort large loads on the highways. Now, the 26 other state workers standing around watching one guy...  thats another story. Personally I would not want the type of officers I see around here at my childs school. They should be someone to set an example. The large majority of the local PD here would not qualify.

hmm...I didn't know that. Kinda odd that they're in uniform. If they're off duty then I think they should be dressed in those yellow/orange construction shirts like the other construction guys. I agree with you that majority of the local PD wouldn't qualify   ;)

oldfart

Re: Defend our schools
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2012, 08:39:34 AM »
Perception is everything. I propose to call the idea the "School Marshall" program. Like "Air Marshall" except in schools. It is a more politically correct term so we don't scare the anti-g crowd.

In order for the program to be effective, the marshal would NEED to be in plain-clothes. Otherwise he/she might as well be painted with a laser.

I would volunteer in a heartbeat.
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Re: Defend our schools
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2012, 02:49:14 PM »
I would volunteer in a heartbeat.

I know many who would volunteer too.
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Jl808

Defend our schools
« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2012, 07:21:52 PM »
School Marshall sounds like a good name. Is this something HRA and all the other groups are going to agree on and support?
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Jl808

Defend our schools
« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2012, 01:39:02 AM »
Love it or hate it, here is the website for the National School Shield Program being proposed by the NRA.

http://nraschoolshield.com/

Not much detail yet though.
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Re: Defend our schools
« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2012, 08:13:45 AM »
Love it or hate it, here is the website for the National School Shield Program being proposed by the NRA.

http://nraschoolshield.com/

Not much detail yet though.

Sounds promising providing the security force has the proper training and certification like he said. He said local communities would have a say in whether they want it or not, so even if anti gun communities oppose the idea, they could elect to not partake in the program. Also, I like that he said each community could tailor to their own needs, so not the one size fits all typical bureaucratic solution that gets rammed down everyone's throat. Will be interesting to see more details and how this proposed program will play out in the debate.

HJumper

Re: Defend our schools
« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2012, 05:24:40 PM »
LaPierre does point out a glaring issue. Next time you walk into your bank, unless you now do all your banking on the web, do you value your money more than your child's safety? Is armed protection only for the elite or those who can presently afford it? A gun free zone is a name for potential targets by the animals who care nothing about the safety of others. I am still amazed at the amount of sheeple who really believe taking guns away from those who by right and freedom are deserving to have them and that any ban will prevent events like Sandy Hook. The real cause isn't the gun but the person behind the gun and as evidenced by this tragedy as a society we have relaxed mental health care.

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Re: Defend our schools
« Reply #14 on: December 26, 2012, 07:39:01 AM »
......................I would volunteer in a heartbeat.

I wouldn't.  This is what LEO is for.  They are supposed to be protecting the citizens.  Plus if you look at the liability and protests IMHO it's not worth it.  I doubt anyone (or at least too many) would protest an armed LEO on campus.

evosil98

Re: Defend our schools
« Reply #15 on: December 26, 2012, 08:10:39 AM »
We could also use the national guard to help protect schools and won't affect the budget too much. For example use some units monthly drill to be assigned to school duty.

It's not perfect but it could help

oldfart

Re: Defend our schools
« Reply #16 on: December 26, 2012, 08:24:04 AM »
I wouldn't.  This is what LEO is for.  They are supposed to be protecting the citizens.  Plus if you look at the liability and protests IMHO it's not worth it.  I doubt anyone (or at least too many) would protest an armed LEO on campus.
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Perhaps you would feel differently if you had a stake in the game, as I do.
Also, LEO's cost money....not likely to happen in this day and age.

Furthermore, would this not qualify me as being a member of a "well regulated militia" whose right to bear arms shall not be infringed?
I view it as a "Call to arms".... Necessary to DEFEND the freedom and security of our children against the drug induced, mentally distorted trolls that liberal attitudes, policies and practices have set forth upon us.

OK that is my rant for this month. I better take my blood pressure med now.
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oldfart

Re: Defend our schools
« Reply #17 on: December 26, 2012, 08:31:19 AM »
We could also use the national guard to help protect schools and won't affect the budget too much. For example use some units monthly drill to be assigned to school duty.

It's not perfect but it could help
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No school on the weekends...LOL  :rofl:

But seriously, that works for me if that were possible to coordinate and did not interfere with their regular NG duties.

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HiCarry

Re: Defend our schools
« Reply #18 on: December 26, 2012, 10:29:28 AM »
I wouldn't.  This is what LEO is for.  They are supposed to be protecting the citizens.  Plus if you look at the liability and protests IMHO it's not worth it.  I doubt anyone (or at least too many) would protest an armed LEO on campus.
Law enforcement is not there to protect anyone in specific....

Dblnaknak

Re: Defend our schools
« Reply #19 on: December 26, 2012, 11:44:33 AM »
We could also use the national guard to help protect schools and won't affect the budget too much. For example use some units monthly drill to be assigned to school duty.

It's not perfect but it could help

This is the dumbest idea yet. It's not like national guardsmen have a regular job during the week. That's why drill is on the weekends. Plus training is accomplished on drill weekends. 

State sheriffs are state employees. It would be easier for DOE to appropriate money for special duty sheriffs. Kamehameha, Maryknoll, and Punahou all hire state sheriffs for security and traffic control.