Defend our schools (Read 12263 times)

sic_semper_tyrannis

Re: Defend our schools
« Reply #20 on: December 26, 2012, 12:26:28 PM »
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We could also use the national guard to help protect schools and won't affect the budget too much. For example use some units monthly drill to be assigned to school duty.

Do you even realize how insane that would be? The National Guard is a branch of the US military. Ever hear of posse comitatus? The only exceptions would be if the Governor or President/Congress signed off on it. And that has only happened when there has been mass riots or the post Civil War period. There's a reason why there are legal hoops you have to jump through in order to have the military police the citizenry - and it's to prevent of us from becoming a militarized police state.

Dblnaknak

Re: Defend our schools
« Reply #21 on: December 26, 2012, 12:51:17 PM »
Do you even realize how insane that would be? The National Guard is a branch of the US military. Ever hear of posse comitatus? The only exceptions would be if the Governor or President/Congress signed off on it. And that has only happened when there has been mass riots or the post Civil War period. There's a reason why there are legal hoops you have to jump through in order to have the military police the citizenry - and it's to prevent of us from becoming a militarized police state.

Sorry but your wrong, National guard is NOT subject to posse comitatus and therefor does not need presidential approval for domestic missions. The national guard falls under the governor of its individual state and it primary obligation is to their state.

GZire

Re: Defend our schools
« Reply #22 on: December 26, 2012, 01:00:51 PM »
We could also use the national guard to help protect schools and won't affect the budget too much. For example use some units monthly drill to be assigned to school duty.

It's not perfect but it could help
This would be an acceptable solution to me, however I seriously doubt that the National Guard has the manpower to post people at each and every public school (think of how many elementary, middle, and high schools we have here on Oahu alone..............also the logisitics of getting people out to the outer islands is an issue as well).





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Perhaps you would feel differently if you had a stake in the game, as I do.
Also, LEO's cost money....not likely to happen in this day and age.

Furthermore, would this not qualify me as being a member of a "well regulated militia" whose right to bear arms shall not be infringed?
I view it as a "Call to arms".... Necessary to DEFEND the freedom and security of our children against the drug induced, mentally distorted trolls that liberal attitudes, policies and practices have set forth upon us.

OK that is my rant for this month. I better take my blood pressure med now.
I most certainly do accept that you have the Right to defend your family be they at school, the mall, the local court, etc.  What I have issues with is that how can we determine those doing the guarding have the ability and temperament to guard all the people in the schools?  Keep in mind that LEO's and NG are already tasked with those duties. 

I'm not talking on a Constitutional matter I'm talking about this on a practical level.  Just the same as disarming every law abiding firearms owning citizen in the US is not practical, I don't think it's practical for non LEO/NG/military personnel to guard schools.  Man I don't know if you've ever working for the Govt, but damn they regulate everything.  They'll whack you up for failure to file a safety plan, an action plan, for not having AHA's generated, etc.  It's frikken nuts the BS paperwork you have to go through to deal with the Govt.

To give you more insight, my mom was a teacher for years.  It would boggle your mind to find out the BS the parents pull too.  Trust me when I tell you there will be personal lawsuits against those private individuals who volunteer to guard the schools and you will not have the backing of a union and their lawyers or the State and their lawyers to defend yourself.

GZire

Re: Defend our schools
« Reply #23 on: December 26, 2012, 01:03:20 PM »
Law enforcement is not there to protect anyone in specific....

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This is the dumbest idea yet. It's not like national guardsmen have a regular job during the week. That's why drill is on the weekends. Plus training is accomplished on drill weekends. 

State sheriffs are state employees. It would be easier for DOE to appropriate money for special duty sheriffs. Kamehameha, Maryknoll, and Punahou all hire state sheriffs for security and traffic control.
If the Govs so choose to activate the NG there's no such thing as their normal jobs.  The question is can the Govs activate personnel one at a time so that their staggered active duty coincides with time to guard schools.

sic_semper_tyrannis

Re: Defend our schools
« Reply #24 on: December 26, 2012, 01:44:27 PM »
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The national guard falls under the governor of its individual state and it primary obligation is to their state.

Which is why I said it takes the Governor's approval to do so:  "The only exceptions would be if the Governor or President/Congress signed off on it."

The President could also take control of  the National Guard like he did during the LA riots, invoking the Insurrection Act.
« Last Edit: December 26, 2012, 01:55:42 PM by sic_semper_tyrannis »

Teichi

Re: Defend our schools
« Reply #25 on: December 26, 2012, 03:44:39 PM »
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If the Govs so choose to activate the NG there's no such thing as their normal jobs.  The question is can the Govs activate personnel one at a time so that their staggered active duty coincides with time to guard schools.
State Active Duty (SAD) can be mandated for individuals or units. The mission requirements will dictate how many people are needed. The State budget dictates how many people can be paid in the call up.

There would also be a need for additional training to become and armed guard for domestic use = more money, time, ammo, and PPT presentations.

There are a number of National Guardsmen that have "civilian" jobs that take precedence over their part time jobs for the State. The State Sheriff is one such man. The Governor would rather have him doing his law enforcement job rather that getting called out to command a company of headquarters types.

 Many civilian LEOs and EMTs are National Guard one weekend a month. It is when they get federalized that big changes occur and they legally no longer have jurisdiction over the US Civilian matters. HPD, State Sheriffs Dept, HFD, EMTs and even FBI suffered major manpower drain since 2003 till present.

GZire

Re: Defend our schools
« Reply #26 on: December 28, 2012, 11:22:58 AM »
^^^Thank you sir, very informative.