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The senate disagrees with the amendments the house made. IDK what this means for the bill.  WIll keep everyone posted once I do.

The house added in that it's OK to posess ammo for under 21 while engaged in hunting or target shooting.  Maybe the senate wants a total ban.

And 1 active duty military member did testify, which is very unusual.  And at least 1 retired Navy testified (David, owner of Danger Close Tactical).  David stated when they were off, they would go to a range to practice on their own as range time is limited while on duty.

The senate disagrees with the amendments the house made. IDK what this means for the bill.  WIll keep everyone posted once I do.

The house added in that it's OK to posess ammo for under 21 while engaged in hunting or target shooting.  Maybe the senate wants a total ban.

And 1 active duty military member did testify, which is very unusual.  And at least 1 retired Navy testified (David, owner of Danger Close Tactical).  David stated when they were off, they would go to a range to practice on their own as range time is limited while on duty.

in my Air Force experience, the military gun ranges were not available for individual practice.  If you were not showing up to get formal training or to qualify with the weapon with which you are required to be proficient, the only option for regular practice is a private range.

I think I've been on an Air Force range once in college ROTC, 2 more times for qualification while I was in a mobility billet (if you aren't subject to deployment, you aren't qualifying regularly), and one for the Excellent in Arms interbranch competition.  That's over 4 years in college ROTC and 9-1/2 years active duty.

My qualifications were with the military .38.  So, I practiced with a .357 Magnum using .38 Special +P ammo.  A few coworkers and our spouses would meet at the nearby range and shoot for a couple of hours.

At least 2 coworkers/spouses were under 21.

The more stuff like this they pass the more shootings we have.

It means there are different versions in the house and Senate that need to be consolidated.  The House version is harsher, the Senate version was watered down by Rhoads due to our opposition.

There's a possibility it may not pass due to the differences and large opposition by Big Islanders

They really think denying ammunition to adults under 21 is going to deter and lower crime.

What a bunch of f*ckn retards.

They really think denying ammunition to adults under 21 is going to deter and lower crime.

What a bunch of f*ckn retards.

It worked for alcohol sales to minors, right?

It worked for alcohol sales to minors, right?

Comrade Karl asked about this and buying smokes and too bad the guy he directed the question too didn't give a good answer.

Dumb ass shit!!!! Can't buy ammo for a cal. gun not registered to you We pay these people to think this shit up??? Sad

They want to give the impression that they are doing something for the public good.

Curious.

What's to stop Joe from buying a few extra boxes (cases?) of 5.56/.223 for his registered AR and selling it to his 19-yr-old  friend, John? 

Unless the cops do periodic audits of the amount of ammo you still have on hand, there's no telling where that ammo eventually winds up.

in my Air Force experience, the military gun ranges were not available for individual practice.  If you were not showing up to get formal training or to qualify with the weapon with which you are required to be proficient, the only option for regular practice is a private range.

I think I've been on an Air Force range once in college ROTC, 2 more times for qualification while I was in a mobility billet (if you aren't subject to deployment, you aren't qualifying regularly), and one for the Excellent in Arms interbranch competition.  That's over 4 years in college ROTC and 9-1/2 years active duty.

My qualifications were with the military .38.  So, I practiced with a .357 Magnum using .38 Special +P ammo.  A few coworkers and our spouses would meet at the nearby range and shoot for a couple of hours.

At least 2 coworkers/spouses were under 21.

"if you aren't subject to deployment, you aren't qualifying regularly"
I was mobility for most of my USAF service. so I had to qualify
regularly. M16.  Y'all know what a pain it is to qualify as Security Police
with no practice? I did it, But I can shoot right or left handed from any position.
I grew up with guns. Obviously not in Hawaii.
BTW I fixed aircraft avionics and I wasn't an SP.
Nixon killed off all off hours use of the range. Saving money for taxpayers?
 
I entered the military at age 17.
Bought ammo as far back as I can remember.

I grew up in Western Pa. a long time ago. Saved my paper route money and bought a Remington Nylon .22 Every weekend I would spend my .75 cent tip money for a box of .22 long rifle. Cleaning supplies....Singer sewing machine oil(borrowed from Mum) Coat hanger with a tip made from lead. Only my opinion but my experience gave me a big advantage when Uncle sent me to a place where I needed a firearm. Training helps,but experience can save your ass!

I grew up in Western Pa. a long time ago. Saved my paper route money and bought a Remington Nylon .22 Every weekend I would spend my .75 cent tip money for a box of .22 long rifle. Cleaning supplies....Singer sewing machine oil(borrowed from Mum) Coat hanger with a tip made from lead. Only my opinion but my experience gave me a big advantage when Uncle sent me to a place where I needed a firearm. Training helps,but experience can save your ass!

You just demonstrated the whole reason the NRA was created.  Training civilians in a time of peace so they had firearm skills and experience should they ever need to fight for the country was their primary purpose.

Too bad the NRA doesn't sponsor "range packages" so people can more easily afford to get professional training at their local range.

i'd like to see them offer a $10-$20 package to include ammo, a rental firearm, firing range access, and an instructor.  It should also include a safety class that satisfies the individual's state training requirements if any, and a certificate of training if they pass a proficiency test.

Seems the main thing the NRA does is beg for money -- over and over again.  Unless one pays for an NRA-certified course, those dues offer no benefit toward training.

You just demonstrated the whole reason the NRA was created.  Training civilians in a time of peace so they had firearm skills and experience should they ever need to fight for the country was their primary purpose.

Too bad the NRA doesn't sponsor "range packages" so people can more easily afford to get professional training at their local range.

i'd like to see them offer a $10-$20 package to include ammo, a rental firearm, firing range access, and an instructor.  It should also include a safety class that satisfies the individual's state training requirements if any, and a certificate of training if they pass a proficiency test.

Seems the main thing the NRA does is beg for money -- over and over again.  Unless one pays for an NRA-certified course, those dues offer no benefit toward training.

Actually NRA was created to teach slaves how to shoot.
All the rest of us already knew how.
 

Actually NRA was created to teach slaves how to shoot.
All the rest of us already knew how.
 

Slaves?  Or former slaves?

Not sure you have your facts straight.

Slaves?  Or former slaves?

Not sure you have your facts straight.

I think I said it correctly the first time.
I take a rather dark view of USA Democrat dominated politics.
 

I think I said it correctly the first time.
I take a rather dark view of USA Democrat dominated politics.
 

From the NRA website (for whatever that's worth  ):

Dismayed by the lack of marksmanship shown by their troops, Union veterans
Col. William C. Church and Gen. George Wingate formed the National Rifle
Association in 1871. The primary goal of the association would be to "promote
and encourage rifle shooting on a scientific basis," according to a magazine
editorial written by Church.

After being granted a charter by the state of New York on November 17, 1871,
the NRA was founded. Civil War Gen. Ambrose Burnside, who was also the
former governor of Rhode Island and a U.S. senator, became the fledgling NRA's
first president.

https://home.nra.org/about-the-nra/

I was unaware there were any slaves in New York in 1871 when the NRA was formed. 

In fact, NY started their official emancipation of slaves in 1799 and completed it in 1827 -- long before the Civil War started in 1861 and before the NRA existed.

Hard to teach slaves to shoot when there aren't any in the state.  I highly doubt the slave-owning states would have agreed to teach their slaves to defend themselves, either.

You just demonstrated the whole reason the NRA was created.  Training civilians in a time of peace so they had firearm skills and experience should they ever need to fight for the country was their primary purpose.

Too bad the NRA doesn't sponsor "range packages" so people can more easily afford to get professional training at their local range.

i'd like to see them offer a $10-$20 package to include ammo, a rental firearm, firing range access, and an instructor.  It should also include a safety class that satisfies the individual's state training requirements if any, and a certificate of training if they pass a proficiency test.

Seems the main thing the NRA does is beg for money -- over and over again.  Unless one pays for an NRA-certified course, those dues offer no benefit toward training.

The NSSF was promoting this before for gun ranges to do on their own.  $10 paid for 10 rounds of 22lr to shoot at a private range.  To get new shooters in the door and not be intimidated.

NRA might have grants for clubs to do something similar.

Or firearm owners can do the same on their own just for the cost of ammo, especially 22lr.  I've done this for a couple hundred people so far.  Taught NRA classes for just the cost of supplies for a lot of people too.

The NSSF was promoting this before for gun ranges to do on their own.  $10 paid for 10 rounds of 22lr to shoot at a private range.  To get new shooters in the door and not be intimidated.

NRA might have grants for clubs to do something similar.

Or firearm owners can do the same on their own just for the cost of ammo, especially 22lr.  I've done this for a couple hundred people so far.  Taught NRA classes for just the cost of supplies for a lot of people too.

I applaud anyone willing to take the time and effort to teach others (including myself).  I can't tell you how many people i've taken to the range for either their first time or for the first time someone who knows what they are doing showed them the safety and shooting basics.  Too many were handed a firearm by a friend or relative and told, "See if you can hit that target."

i also supplied the firearms, did all the cleaning (for days!), and bought all the ammo.  Most would hand me $10-$20, or occasionally more depending on the amount of ammo they used.

What i'm advocating for is the NRA as an organization financially supporting these efforts.  Have ranges offer discounted packages, and have the NRA offset the cost.  It should be easy to prevent abuse and fraud.  Every shooter needs to join the NRA, so they know who you are.  Set caps on rentals, ammo cost, range cost and targets. If John practices once a week, he should be allowed to buy an NRA practice package twice each week -- in case he goes Sat & Sun.  NRA pays the range their share, and you pay the "co-pay" at the time you go shoot.  NRA member numbers can be placed on the reimbursement requests, etc.

NRA sucks up millions of dollars each year.  There's no reason they should be paying themselves and not using that to actually take care of their basic mission.  Simply training instructors who then use their credentials to solicit for paid training sessions is fine, but that isn't enough IMO.  I like that you choose to do what you do, but I don't think that's the norm.