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zippz

Re: When guns are banned
« Reply #40 on: April 29, 2024, 11:37:56 AM »
In general, a person with a firearm would cause more casualties than a knife in a mass public attack.  It's easier to defend against a knife attack like defending with a chair or pole. There may be situations where a knife could be deadlier where there is a mass of vulnerable people trapped in a building.  Like young children and the elderly.

Putting it into perspective, some of the worst incidents didn't involve a firearm and required no skill.  Setting a crowded building on fire.  Ramming a vehicle into a crowd.  Poisoning/gassing.

Serial murderers have killed more people than mass shootings running into the 20 to 30s of victims, probably higher for the ones we don't know about.  For many of the ones we caught, they wanted to be caught or didn't care if they got caught.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: When guns are banned
« Reply #41 on: April 29, 2024, 11:55:46 AM »
It's ridiculous to believe that a firearm is needed, or that it could kill in higher numbers, than any other method.  With proper planning, preparation, education and practice, any weapon can be used to inflict the same, if not more, casualties as a firearm.

How much ammo is the person using?  What caliber?  How many mags?  What capacity?

Lots of variables make one gun more lethal in a mass shooting than others.  I'd guess a .22LR pistol would be less deadly than a .45ACP.

But I don't have to guess.  History proved it.  When the US Gov't banned so-called Saturday Night Specials, they did so with the knowledge that those small, rimfire, cheap and easy to hide pistols were involved in the vast majority of shootings primarily in urban areas.  Logically, if you ban the most widely used gun, there will be fewer such shootings.

The consequences of that ban were anything but positive.  Having fewer .22LR. .25 and .32ACP options, people began buying 9mm handguns instead. 

The result was a huge increase in shooting fatalities whereas before most of the victims survived a small caliber rimfire injury.

So, all things are not equal, because not all guns are equal.  A skilled knife user can easily kill someone quickly, whereas the biggest plus for a small caliber gun is you don't have to be as close to the victim.  But the lethality isn't that much better than a knife that can be drawn across a throat versus a small bullet trying to penetrate clothing, flesh and bone before hitting anything vital.
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ren

Re: When guns are banned
« Reply #42 on: April 29, 2024, 11:56:29 AM »
Timothy McVeigh.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: When guns are banned
« Reply #43 on: April 29, 2024, 12:03:26 PM »
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China, another society with very strict gun laws, also has mass murders.
A 2014 terrorist knife attack in Kunming left 33 dead and 143 injured.
A series of school attacks in the early 2010s killed at least 25 in total; while
not all of these school attacks were mass murders (five or more killed in
one attack), some meet the criteria: eight schoolchildren murdered with a
knife in Nanping in March 2010; nine murdered in Hanzhong with a meat
cleaver in May 2010.

Explosive mass murders have also been common: 22 with explosives in
Manchester, England, in 2017. Two terrorists killed 33 people at an airport
and subway station in Brussels with bombs.

There have also been motor-vehicle mass murders in Europe and Australia:
84 murdered with a truck in Nice, France; 12 in Berlin, Germany; five in
Stockholm; 13 in Barcelona, Spain; eight by truck and knives in London.
While these were terrorist mass murders, others have been mental-health-
related, such as an attack in Melbourne, Australia, that killed six.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/08/mass-murder-without-guns/
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eyeeatingfish

Re: When guns are banned
« Reply #44 on: May 01, 2024, 08:51:09 PM »
Quote from: zippz on April 29, 2024, 11:37:56 AM
In general, a person with a firearm would cause more casualties than a knife in a mass public attack.  It's easier to defend against a knife attack like defending with a chair or pole. There may be situations where a knife could be deadlier where there is a mass of vulnerable people trapped in a building.  Like young children and the elderly.

My point exactly. Thanks
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oldfart

Re: When guns are banned
« Reply #45 on: May 30, 2024, 07:03:18 AM »
May 30, 2024
....yet another stabbing incident last night.

Is anyone keeping track of how many people are getting stabbed nowadays?
It seems like a lot.
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QUIETShooter

Re: When guns are banned
« Reply #46 on: May 30, 2024, 07:49:55 AM »
I think people nowadays don't know what moral values are.

They think it's the newest menu item at McDonalds.
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ren

Re: When guns are banned
« Reply #47 on: May 30, 2024, 07:52:54 AM »
Quote from: zippz on April 29, 2024, 11:37:56 AM
In general, a person with a firearm would cause more casualties than a knife in a mass public attack.  It's easier to defend against a knife attack like defending with a chair or pole. There may be situations where a knife could be deadlier where there is a mass of vulnerable people trapped in a building.  Like young children and the elderly.

Did you have this conversation with legislators when you were with HIFICO?
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changemyoil66

Re: When guns are banned
« Reply #48 on: May 30, 2024, 11:11:21 AM »
Quote from: ren on May 30, 2024, 07:52:54 AM
Did you have this conversation with legislators when you were with HIFICO?

cardio. How often do you see a fat knife mass attacker?
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