Pro-Palestine protesters don't know why they are protesting (Read 19864 times)

hvybarrels

Re: Pro-Palestine protesters don't know why they are protesting
« Reply #80 on: May 08, 2024, 10:55:20 AM »
Is it your opinion that law enforcement isn't allowed to use physical force to coerce anyone breaking the law to comply with orders to disperse until they've been the targets of similar physical force?

Say 300 people gather in a public park, and the ordinances say no overnight camping.  You tell them 100 times to pack up and leave, or they will be arrested and their tents removed and destroyed.

The campers don't have to initiate any violence.  You ask them, then you tell them, then you reason with them, then you order them, then you explain what happens next.  At what point is does it become the protesters' fault for the consequences they suffer?

Cops are allowed to use reasonable force to get someone to comply with their orders.  If, when force is applied, they still won't comply, you turn up the force level.  If they resist, you have the right to keep elevating the amount of force exerted. 

Is it your belief that the Cops have a limit as to how much force they can use to coerce compliance after which they should let the noncompliant law breaker/s win? 

We've seen protesters chain their wrists together inside lengths of PVC pipe to prevent the chains and locks from being removed.  They refuse to stand and walk creating a dead weight that takes lots of people at once to carry them away.

I think the Cops should be allowed to use as much force as necessary if the crowd is not complying with lawful orders. 

If they are being removed in violation of free speech rights however (no behavior other than words and in a place they can legally be), then that's a matter for the courts.  Sue the government actors involved for that. 

Ignoring the police when they are doing crowd control or clearing an illegal campsite won't end well.  They have a duty to keep the peace and enforce the laws.  You can't put up a tent where you shouldn't and then claim it can't be touched because "free speech."

If I'm ever in such a situation, it'll be because I want a confrontation with police.  Since my brain works, I understand the concept of consequences.

#FAFO

It's clear that you support a police state as long as it lines up with your beliefs.
Pretending to be offended does not make you a good person.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Pro-Palestine protesters don't know why they are protesting
« Reply #81 on: May 08, 2024, 11:00:22 AM »
It's clear that you support a police state as long as it lines up with your beliefs.

It's clear you want to draw conclusions and not discuss the actual points i bring up.

It's always been clear you hate all government and all law enforcement.

You've not answered any of the questions I asked you.  Obviously, you don't want to explore the possibility you're just wrong.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

QUIETShooter

Re: Pro-Palestine protesters don't know why they are protesting
« Reply #82 on: May 08, 2024, 11:00:55 AM »
Food for thought to all out there who term Palestinian "civilians" as innocent, non-combatant, and victims of violence.

Not everything is black and white.

One thing is true:  children are innocent and only act upon the influence of the adults "caring" for them.

Israel has always warned the people before embarking on a military mission.  How can they be accused of committing genocide?  You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink.  There always was a safety corridor offered.

Hamas did and continues to do a wonderful job of social engineering to it's people, the world, and evidently, the stupid college kids with nothing to do with their lazy lives.

Draw your own conclusions.



 
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Kuleana

Re: Pro-Palestine protesters don't know why they are protesting
« Reply #83 on: May 08, 2024, 05:37:12 PM »
It's always been clear you hate all government and all law enforcement.
How dare you accuse HB of that!

I thought I am the only one that despises the Power Okole and its militarized domestic police that is there to keep its subject citizens under its boot.

Kuleana

Re: Pro-Palestine protesters don't know why they are protesting
« Reply #84 on: May 08, 2024, 05:45:45 PM »
It's clear that you support a police state as long as it lines up with your beliefs.
Expanding this a bit further; it is also my observation that he and many other anti-democrats support the US imperial proxy wars of aggression to Russia and China as well as anti-freedom domestic policies such as denying free speech that goes against its imperial policy as long as it aligns with their personal biases and most importantly does not take away their gun rights.

Kuleana

Re: Pro-Palestine protesters don't know why they are protesting
« Reply #85 on: May 08, 2024, 05:49:18 PM »
The question that needs to be asked is were they being violent enough to deserve such treatment? If we start to cheer on police state tactics to suppress free speech then we are basically giving them permission to do it to us when it's our turn to stand up for something.
With all due respect HB, I know you disagree with me on many things, but you need to remember America is and has been an empire for some time now and it is too late for what you advocate.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Pro-Palestine protesters don't know why they are protesting
« Reply #86 on: May 08, 2024, 06:48:41 PM »
How dare you accuse HB of that!

I thought I am the only one that despises the Power Okole and its militarized domestic police that is there to keep its subject citizens under its boot.

It's a big club, and there's no membership committee.  Everyone is free to join.

 :geekdanc: :rofl:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Pro-Palestine protesters don't know why they are protesting
« Reply #87 on: May 08, 2024, 06:56:05 PM »
The question that needs to be asked is were they being violent enough to deserve such treatment?
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

macsak

Re: Pro-Palestine protesters don't know why they are protesting
« Reply #88 on: May 08, 2024, 07:39:05 PM »
wow, no commas
that's a first
and another new one for you, a semi-colon...

Expanding this a bit further; it is also my observation that he and many other anti-democrats support the US imperial proxy wars of aggression to Russia and China as well as anti-freedom domestic policies such as denying free speech that goes against its imperial policy as long as it aligns with their personal biases and most importantly does not take away their gun rights.

macsak

Re: Pro-Palestine protesters don't know why they are protesting
« Reply #89 on: May 08, 2024, 08:46:16 PM »

QUIETShooter

Re: Pro-Palestine protesters don't know why they are protesting
« Reply #90 on: May 09, 2024, 08:06:07 AM »
biden caved to his pro-palestinian voters.  He is witholding bombs, weapons, supplies to Israel.

Even though Rafah contains the majority of the Hamas battalions and an opportunity to destroy the terrorist organization.

Israel will continue their mission with or without the US.  That song "With or Without You" keeps playing in my head.

I've never thought I could be so proud of Israel for standing fast and so disappointed in my own nation and the circus leading it.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

QUIETShooter

Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Kuleana

Re: Pro-Palestine protesters don't know why they are protesting
« Reply #93 on: May 09, 2024, 08:37:12 AM »
The United States of America:  EU's Ally  ::)

More like Fair Weather Friend.  Who needs those. :grrr:
Similar to the US empire blowing up the Nord Stream pipeline, you are totally 100% right.

groveler

Re: Pro-Palestine protesters don't know why they are protesting
« Reply #94 on: May 09, 2024, 09:05:30 AM »
Similar to the US empire blowing up the Nord Stream pipeline, you are totally 100% right.
I really get tired of your "US empire".
It is the Democrat empire, don't include the rest of us with those
reprobates.
 :grrr:

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Pro-Palestine protesters don't know why they are protesting
« Reply #95 on: May 09, 2024, 09:59:51 AM »
I really get tired of your "US empire".
It is the Democrat empire, don't include the rest of us with those
reprobates.
 :grrr:

Me, too.

He needs to get dual citizenship with the US and another country that he feels is better than the US.

Being a citizen of 2 places is better than having just one to bitch about.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

QUIETShooter

Re: Pro-Palestine protesters don't know why they are protesting
« Reply #96 on: May 09, 2024, 10:09:57 AM »
Similar to the US empire blowing up the Nord Stream pipeline, you are totally 100% right.



You changed my post.  I posted United States as an ally of Israel.  You changed my post to EU.  While it wouldn't surprise me that the US did blow up the Nordstream Pipeline, I haven't come across anything that confirmed it.

Although I admit my google-fu is weak compared to most of you out there.  Perhaps you can enlighten me.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Kuleana

Re: Pro-Palestine protesters don't know why they are protesting
« Reply #97 on: May 09, 2024, 11:42:45 AM »
Me, too.
OMG...

We have one of them here!!!

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Pro-Palestine protesters don't know why they are protesting
« Reply #98 on: May 09, 2024, 01:04:43 PM »
OMG...

We have one of them here!!!

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

QUIETShooter

Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.