Trump classified documents trial indefinitely postponed, judge rules (Read 27237 times)

macsak

Flapp_Jackson

All of these trials/witch hunts/election interference using tax payer funds should be paused until after June, when the Supreme court should be publishing their ruling on Presidential immunity.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Trump instead of using the CIA to get most of his intel and things done, used instead private companies to get better/cheaper results.  This is allowed/common, but not to the amount that Trump used them.  He showed that the US doesn't need the CIA as much as people think.

No wonder why "they" want him not to be president again.

Chrashd

All the trials and "lawfare" are starting to implode. They really can't let MR. TRUMP run again  so what is plan"B"??? Martial law for Civil unrest? Looks like we have a start with the hamas shit!!

changemyoil66

All the trials and "lawfare" are starting to implode. They really can't let MR. TRUMP run again  so what is plan"B"??? Martial law for Civil unrest? Looks like we have a start with the hamas shit!!

Their plan B is to cheat like how they did the last time. 

eyeeatingfish

Funny that instead of this case, their strongest case, going first they lead with the BS cases.

macsak

first of all, the cases are in 4 different jurisdictions, so they cannot coordinate the order
B- you are implying that these prosecutions are being driven by one group, which the democrats deny  >:D
3- all the cases are BS, even this one you call the "strongest case" is being held indefinitely due to the problems with the handling of the files...

Funny that instead of this case, their strongest case, going first they lead with the BS cases.

Jaco808

Unfortunate,  trump is above the law in florida. If it was anyone else with those docs they be in jail right now. 

Flapp_Jackson

Unfortunate,  trump is above the law in florida. If it was anyone else with those docs they be in jail right now.

Clinton had such highly classified documents and messages on her illegal, unsecured server, even the Congressmen investigating didn't have high enough clearance to view them.  She then destroyed some 30K+ messages after they were under subpoena, many of which FBI director comey testified under oath were highly classified -- not about yoga classes.

Biden had classified documents stored unsecured in his garage after he left office, too.

Trump had the documents in question in a locked and secured room.  Since we can assume with 100% certainty that Trump didn't pack all of that himself and move it with his own two hands, it's plausible -- in not very likely -- he was unaware what was being moved to his residence.  Potentially, anyone wanting to get him in trouble with the law yet again could have purposely added classified files to the boxes without Trump's knowledge or the knowledge of the movers.

But, please, tell us how "anyone else" with classified documents would be in jail right now.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

macsak

cry, i mean, try again
biden is in jail for his documents?
hillary is in jail for deleting emails?

Unfortunate,  trump is above the law in florida. If it was anyone else with those docs they be in jail right now.

groveler

Re: Trump classified documents trial indefinitely postponed, judge rules
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2024, 02:32:39 PM »
Clinton had such highly classified documents and messages on her illegal, unsecured server, even the Congressmen investigating didn't have high enough clearance to view them.  She then destroyed some 30K+ messages after they were under subpoena, many of which FBI director comey testified under oath were highly classified -- not about yoga classes.

Biden had classified documents stored unsecured in his garage after he left office, too.

Trump had the documents in question in a locked and secured room.  Since we can assume with 100% certainty that Trump didn't pack all of that himself and move it with his own two hands, it's plausible -- in not very likely -- he was unaware what was being moved to his residence.  Potentially, anyone wanting to get him in trouble with the law yet again could have purposely added classified files to the boxes without Trump's knowledge or the knowledge of the movers.

But, please, tell us how "anyone else" with classified documents would be in jail right now.
"But, please, tell us how "anyone else" with classified documents would be in jail right now."
Only Republicans and poor Democrats get prosecuted.
 :grrr:

macsak

Re: Trump classified documents trial indefinitely postponed, judge rules
« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2024, 05:18:08 PM »
biden's team packed and shipped the boxes on their own, not on the trump team's request
the covers labeled "top secret" were placed on the files and photographed, which is not correct protocol
some of the files that had the covers applied were not top secret
the files were not logged correctly and placed in the correct boxes in the correct order
there's more that i'm forgetting
but jaco's opinion that the trial being held in FL had something to do with the indefinite hold is probably right :wacko: ::) ???

Clinton had such highly classified documents and messages on her illegal, unsecured server, even the Congressmen investigating didn't have high enough clearance to view them.  She then destroyed some 30K+ messages after they were under subpoena, many of which FBI director comey testified under oath were highly classified -- not about yoga classes.

Biden had classified documents stored unsecured in his garage after he left office, too.

Trump had the documents in question in a locked and secured room.  Since we can assume with 100% certainty that Trump didn't pack all of that himself and move it with his own two hands, it's plausible -- in not very likely -- he was unaware what was being moved to his residence.  Potentially, anyone wanting to get him in trouble with the law yet again could have purposely added classified files to the boxes without Trump's knowledge or the knowledge of the movers.

But, please, tell us how "anyone else" with classified documents would be in jail right now.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump classified documents trial indefinitely postponed, judge rules
« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2024, 06:44:19 PM »
biden's team packed and shipped the boxes on their own, not on the trump team's request
the covers labeled "top secret" were placed on the files and photographed, which is not correct protocol
some of the files that had the covers applied were not top secret
the files were not logged correctly and placed in the correct boxes in the correct order
there's more that i'm forgetting
but jaco's opinion that the trial being held in FL had something to do with the indefinite hold is probably right :wacko: ::) ???

When SCOTUS issues its ruling on the question of presidential immunity, which should be by June or July, this case will go from "strongest case" to "Meh."

The CinC always has final discretion over classified material. Information is not like individual rights.  Rights may be endowed by the creator, but classified information and other materials require a classification authority -- i.e. it isn't classified just because it was created.  Integral to that authority is an understanding that the information may one day be compromised.  That's termed a "spillage" if it happens on the internet.

If a person allows unauthorized disclosure, that's one level of compromise.  If the information or material is given to an unauthorized recipient, that's a bit worse -- called unauthorized dissemination.  Once a compromise occurs, there's an analysis required to asses the level of damage and what mitigating options are available.  communication codes may be changed, locks reprogrammed, access cards changed out, etc.  I've seen where computer code needed to be rewrittem and rolled out to operational units because system capabilities and limitations were compromised.

The interesting part of all these "OMG!  So-and-so had classified info at their house!" is that the actual fact that the information was possibly compromised is in and of itself classified.  We don't want people to pick up the paper and find out that sensitive information is now floating around unprotected.  We also don't want people to know whatever it related to might now be vulnerable.  Having all these reports of classified leaks seems to contradict SOP.

Hillary outsourced her server support to a private commercial firm.  They were not authorized to process or store classified, nor did anyone managing the server have an appropriate security clearance.  If anyone allowed classified to be compromised, it was Hildabeast.  They even found copies of all the messages from her server, including the infamous 32,000 deleted  files, on Anthony Wiener's unclassified laptop.

How many other copies were there floating around?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump classified documents trial indefinitely postponed, judge rules
« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2024, 07:03:18 PM »
i've not seen a list of the classifications found at Mara Lago. 

i know that many, many things, especially messages or memos with schedules and other sensitive pieces of information are classified CONFIDENTIAL.  Much of that information is perishable.  Once the dates pass, the information no longer has any value and is routinely downgraded automatically due to it becoming obsolete.

I think anyone who believes the classified documents case is strong and hasn't seen what kind of information or classification levels are involved is just hoping.

There could be one TS document or dozens.  We don't know.  Of the 183 documents the FBI said were MARKED classified may only be a dozen actually still classified at some high level.  Markings do not make a document classified.  The contents and authorities governing the information's classifications do that.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Jaco808

Re: Trump classified documents trial indefinitely postponed, judge rules
« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2024, 07:34:03 PM »
Everyone should be held accountable.   Including biden and Hillary.

macsak

Re: Trump classified documents trial indefinitely postponed, judge rules
« Reply #15 on: May 11, 2024, 07:38:51 PM »
so you admit you were lying before when you said anyone else would be in jail
got it...

Everyone should be held accountable.   Including biden and Hillary.

Jaco808

Re: Trump classified documents trial indefinitely postponed, judge rules
« Reply #16 on: May 11, 2024, 08:19:47 PM »
so you admit you were lying before when you said anyone else would be in jail
got it...

The other two have not had charges filed. 

macsak

Re: Trump classified documents trial indefinitely postponed, judge rules
« Reply #17 on: May 11, 2024, 08:55:17 PM »
goalposts moved...

The other two have not had charges filed.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Trump classified documents trial indefinitely postponed, judge rules
« Reply #18 on: May 11, 2024, 09:50:08 PM »
The other two have not had charges filed.

And OJ was acquitted.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Trump classified documents trial indefinitely postponed, judge rules
« Reply #19 on: May 13, 2024, 11:04:21 AM »
i've not seen a list of the classifications found at Mara Lago. 

i know that many, many things, especially messages or memos with schedules and other sensitive pieces of information are classified CONFIDENTIAL.  Much of that information is perishable.  Once the dates pass, the information no longer has any value and is routinely downgraded automatically due to it becoming obsolete.

I think anyone who believes the classified documents case is strong and hasn't seen what kind of information or classification levels are involved is just hoping.

There could be one TS document or dozens.  We don't know.  Of the 183 documents the FBI said were MARKED classified may only be a dozen actually still classified at some high level.  Markings do not make a document classified.  The contents and authorities governing the information's classifications do that.

Maybe they just found empty folders. But needed fake news to make a story, so they took a pic of those and posted it.  Imagine, something that's classified and shared online, even though it's a folder marked classified.