rendering aid to a car jacker? (Read 4872 times)

ren

rendering aid to a car jacker?
« on: June 17, 2024, 07:18:46 AM »
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2024/06/17/hpd-man-run-over-by-vehicle-during-carjacking-attempt-farrington-highway/

A man was critically injured after he was run over by a vehicle on Farrington Highway in the Makaha area on Sunday.

The incident happened around 3:20 p.m.

Police said as vehicles traversed Farrington Highway, the 26-year-old man had been trying to break into occupied cars after being involved in a previous crash.

According to HPD, the man then approached the vehicle of a 50-year-old woman who was also traveling eastbound on Farrington Highway, and grabbed ahold of her vehicle and made multiple attempts to reach into the driver’s side window.

She tried speeding away, which caused the man to fall onto the roadway. He was then run over.

The woman left the scene and was later arrested for “collisions involving substantial bodily injury,” officials said.
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oldfart

Re: rendering aid to a car jacker?
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2024, 08:14:29 AM »
If the story is true, the woman can claim self-defense. Like if she wacked him with a stick and ran away.

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changemyoil66

Re: rendering aid to a car jacker?
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2024, 08:38:25 AM »
If the story is true, the woman can claim self-defense. Like if she wacked him with a stick and ran away.


Since you have family in Vegas, a few days ago in the Hendrson Walmart, a guy tried to car jack a couple. Couple was armed and he got lit up and was killed. Once Metro deems this as self defense, they will be immune from civil liability. Compared to here.  And add in the medical treatment the HI carjacker will need that he won't be able to pay for. Which means, the cost is pushed on customers of the hospital. Compared to someone who's dead on scene. Medical cost is minimal, like EMT cost and depends if they perform life saving techniques on the way to the hospital and then the hospital tries more.

QUIETShooter

Re: rendering aid to a car jacker?
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2024, 08:45:50 AM »
26 year old male criminals have more rights than a 50 yr. old woman probably frightened out of her mind and just want to get away from the asshat.

I guess Hawaii's criminal justice system wants her to hang around to possibly be robbed and assaulted.

Article even mentioned that there is no word if there will be charges against the man, if any.

WTF.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Rocky

Re: rendering aid to a car jacker?
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2024, 09:09:35 AM »
 ''the 26-year-old man had been trying to break into occupied cars''
Sounds like kidnapping attempts
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changemyoil66

Re: rendering aid to a car jacker?
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2024, 09:18:30 AM »
26 year old male criminals have more rights than a 50 yr. old woman probably frightened out of her mind and just want to get away from the asshat.

I guess Hawaii's criminal justice system wants her to hang around to possibly be robbed and assaulted.

Article even mentioned that there is no word if there will be charges against the man, if any.

WTF.

Don't forget the mental stress of the driver who ran the bad guy over.

ren

Re: rendering aid to a car jacker?
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2024, 09:25:33 AM »
The article is normalizing the crime.
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hvybarrels

Re: rendering aid to a car jacker?
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2024, 09:31:14 AM »
It doesn't say if she called it in or they tracked her down

She turned herself in 2 hours later. HPD sucks.

They could push back against our broken justice system, but instead they just "do their job"


https://www.kitv.com/news/crime/woman-arrested-after-running-over-man-who-hpd-says-tried-to-get-into-her-car/article_6deface4-2cdf-11ef-ab7a-6784f4d6f7aa.html
« Last Edit: June 17, 2024, 09:50:04 AM by hvybarrels »
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oldfart

Re: rendering aid to a car jacker?
« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2024, 10:30:59 AM »
Since you have family in Vegas, a few days ago in the Hendrson Walmart, a guy tried to car jack a couple. Couple was armed and he got lit up and was killed. Once Metro deems this as self defense, they will be immune from civil liability. Compared to here.  And add in the medical treatment the HI carjacker will need that he won't be able to pay for. Which means, the cost is pushed on customers of the hospital. Compared to someone who's dead on scene. Medical cost is minimal, like EMT cost and depends if they perform life saving techniques on the way to the hospital and then the hospital tries more.
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shortly after my kid moved to LV, he sent me a pic of his target after shooting his CCW qual.
This dad is so proud. This was his target.


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Flapp_Jackson

Re: rendering aid to a car jacker?
« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2024, 10:57:29 AM »
I think it takes a doctor to pronounce the person deceased, which is why so many victims are categorized DOA.

My neighbor's teenage son hanged himself.  Even though there was nothing they could do, the EMTs still had to hook him up to respiration and monitoring equipment on the gurney as they wheeled him to the ambulance -- moving at a slow, careful pace.  They left without sirens.

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The woman left the scene and was later arrested for “collisions involving substantial bodily injury,” officials said.

Technically, she had no way of knowing if he was still alive, so once the threat was stopped -- i.e. he was unconscious -- she was supposed to stop and call 911.  I don't believe she's required to render aid on the spot, just remain until police and medical help arrive.

I was an alternate on a jury hearing a case of road rage.  From the stories told, the two had been cutting each other off for a few miles in heavy traffic.  At some point, the traffic caused a standstill.  That's when one driver got out, went to the driver's window of the other car, and reached in to fight the driver.

The charges were assault, battery and unauthorized entry into a vehicle.  I got a call from the clerk letting me know I was off the hook as an alternate, and that the jury found the defendant not guilty.  The verdict shocked me because there were witnesses that said they saw the assault.  i guess they just wrote it off as two dueling dumbasses getting into a scrape with no significant injuries worthy of incarceration.  I wish they allowed alternates to observe the deliberations and vote results.  I'm very curious what the members said about the facts.

So, even if she has to go to trial, there's a good chance she'll be acquitted.  Hopefully she'll be spared any charges when the investigation is done.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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changemyoil66

Re: rendering aid to a car jacker?
« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2024, 11:02:40 AM »
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shortly after my kid moved to LV, he sent me a pic of his target after shooting his CCW qual.
This dad is so proud. This was his target.


Damn, they didn't let your kid use 22LR. Some instructors do that cause you can use any gun to qual. Not like HI, where you have to use the gun you're going tocarry.

changemyoil66

Re: rendering aid to a car jacker?
« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2024, 11:16:00 AM »
Im hoping there's more to this story. As in, timing wasn't her friend. All HPD knew is she hit someone and ran. Then when they found her, they arrested her for the above statement. It was only after she was arrested, then HPD realized it was a car jacking.

Her calling 911 while she was driving away would hopefully help remedy this. But, people don't think when under stress. Especially those not in the self defense mindset.  So I give her pass for not calling 911.

In a general self defense situation, 1st to call 911 is usually the good guy.

QUIETShooter

Re: rendering aid to a car jacker?
« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2024, 11:34:22 AM »
I no feel sorry for the 26 yr. old outstanding citizen that got critically injured.

He was doing a stupid thing.

Therefore he won a stupid prize.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: rendering aid to a car jacker?
« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2024, 01:15:36 PM »
I no feel sorry for the 26 yr. old outstanding citizen that got critically injured.

He was doing a stupid thing.

Therefore he won a stupid prize.

FAFO is the new "Play stupid games...".   :geekdanc:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

ren

Re: rendering aid to a car jacker?
« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2024, 07:02:26 PM »
and...
https://www.khon2.com/local-news/makaha-man-dead-after-being-run-over-by-truck-he-was-trying-to-enter/

Family and friends of Derrick Hernandez Jr, 28, put up a memorial at the site near Makaha Beach on Monday. They told KHON2 he died early Monday morning from injuries he sustained after being run over by a pickup truck around 3:30 p.m. on Sunday.

According to police, Hernandez crashed his vehicle shortly before and then ran towards Farrington Highway. They said he tried to stop and enter multiple occupied vehicles.

But loved ones said he was likely disoriented after crashing his car, and that some witnesses told them he was asking for help in the middle of the street. Desperate for help, the family said that’s when he tried to get into the bed of a pickup truck.

But HPD said Hernandez made several attempts to reach into the truck’s driver-side window, and that’s when the 50-year-old driver accelerated, causing Hernandez Jr. to fall onto the road, and when she ran him over and took off.
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QUIETShooter

Re: rendering aid to a car jacker?
« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2024, 07:22:58 PM »
OK.  So now for us to understand WTF happened we need to know why he crashed his vehicle.

And why he had the need to take another person's vehicle.

You know.  Like he's special or something.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

ren

Re: rendering aid to a car jacker?
« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2024, 07:43:52 PM »
maybe its a new trend? Your car broke, so jump into one that is working? It is logical but not legal.

Universal Citation: HI Rev Stat § 708-836.5 (2011 through Reg Sess)

§708-836.5 Unauthorized entry into motor vehicle in the first degree. (1) A person commits the offense of unauthorized entry into motor vehicle in the first degree if the person intentionally or knowingly enters or remains unlawfully in a motor vehicle, without being invited, licensed, or otherwise authorized to enter or remain within the vehicle, with the intent to commit a crime against a person or against property rights.

(2) Unauthorized entry into motor vehicle in the first degree is a class C felony. [L 1996, c 87, §2; am L 2006, c 230, §40]
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QUIETShooter

Re: rendering aid to a car jacker?
« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2024, 07:59:19 PM »
maybe its a new trend? Your car broke, so jump into one that is working? It is logical but not legal.




Especially if you are from the generation where everyone gets a medal.  No child left behind.
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hvybarrels

Re: rendering aid to a car jacker?
« Reply #18 on: June 17, 2024, 09:37:39 PM »

Especially if you are from the generation where everyone gets a medal.  No child left behind.

She left him behind. Now she must pay.
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oldfart

Re: rendering aid to a car jacker?
« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2024, 06:28:20 AM »
I saw the family of the dead guy on the news.
He was a good boy. The story is all wrong.
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