not for our use, but "for a friend"

Gotta make sure there no leaks in my water system. You know how much water bill can be saved from drips and leaks.

Guy's, I think that the website put on about this subject is a bit of a stretch. I dont believe that confiscation is that close. However I do believe that an attempt WILL be made at some time. This close to the tragedy in Sandy Hook??? I dont see that. But I do believe that these bozo's WILL test the waters first. Look at the resistance, then put a plan in place up to and including Obama's civilian army corp. This WILL be a tough thing to pass. By executive order or not. Talk about a civil war??? Either way, be ready. As for those who say NO WAY NOT MY GUNS!!! If you have NEVER had live bullets grazing your A$$....trust me on this, it will be hard on you and your families. You may not be ready psychologically, let alone physically. We will be out numbered and out gunned. DO NOT LOOK FOR HELP FROM OUR CIVILIAN POPULATION !!! They will NOT help you.Have a plan in place for your loved ones. These people will play un-fair and illegal.The new law allowing americans to be held indefinitely without representation was passed for a reason. If caught, which we will....our families may never see us again unless we give up others in our stead. Media will villafy us, friends will turn us in for the reward or for just a break on a DUI. Think I'm kidding? I see it all the time in cell block. Not for a break...just to be released till next court date. They will turn their Ma Ma's in for a dollar. I'm sorry its come to this guys. But I am on your side. I am having discussions with my wife WHEN it happens. You see for me... there is nothing worth anything if I cannot have my freedom. There is no freedom without a gun to enforce it seriously. Without our firearms??? The Govt. can and will do ANYTHING it wants. God Bless the USA...we're gonna need it. As for the article? Just be ready.Pray for the best, prepare for the worst. I hope at least one of you knuckleheads has a cell next to mine.
Pastor Dennis

Firearm Confiscation Plan Announced For America

http://sgtreport.com/2012/12/firearm-confiscation-plan-announced-for-america/

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2012/12/22/ny-governor-cuomo-on-guns-confiscation-could-be-an-option-12029

http://www.greenewave.com/red-alert-obama-gun-confiscation-starts-jan-1-2013/

I dont think any of those sites are very reliable. But it is surprising that people need to look to fringe sites to be told what to think. Those places are for weak minds wanting to be spoon fed information that 'fits'. I'm not saying stick with the mainstream press, just that anyone in the US can read what laws are being considered and should come up with their own opinion or ideas.

Avoid places that want to incite panic.  Because people panicking over rumors and misinformation are too distracted with the 'what if' to see the relevant and real. Also arguing petty points of view dont help either. Its no surprise that things are the way they are.

Just my 2 cents

Guy's, I think that the website put on about this subject is a bit of a stretch. I dont believe that confiscation is that close. However I do believe that an attempt WILL be made at some time. This close to the tragedy in Sandy Hook??? I dont see that. But I do believe that these bozo's WILL test the waters first. Look at the resistance, then put a plan in place up to and including Obama's civilian army corp. This WILL be a tough thing to pass. By executive order or not. Talk about a civil war??? Either way, be ready. As for those who say NO WAY NOT MY GUNS!!! If you have NEVER had live bullets grazing your A$$....trust me on this, it will be hard on you and your families. You may not be ready psychologically, let alone physically. We will be out numbered and out gunned. DO NOT LOOK FOR HELP FROM OUR CIVILIAN POPULATION !!! They will NOT help you.Have a plan in place for your loved ones.

dude, seriously?

they arent going to confiscate guns. 

and for the last time, executive orders dont work that way.

dude, seriously?

they arent going to confiscate guns. 

and for the last time, executive orders dont work that way.

Really? They don't? It actually does...a quick example: Roosevelt - EO9066 (Only took 46 years to "fix"). One just has to examine the 20000+ orders issued by Presidents over the years. Implementing policy in times of "national crisis" or on grounds of public safety and security, has become the norm. 

...Some will cry it's "unconstitutional and illegal", sure okay...that doesn't change the fact that an EO is law until challenged and overturned. So what does that mean? They take away your property then in 5,10 or even 50 years give you a letter of apology pay you a small percentage of the value?? I'm not saying it will happen, but failing to accept that it can is just plain ignorance.

Guy's, I think that the website put on about this subject is a bit of a stretch. I dont believe that confiscation is that close. However I do believe that an attempt WILL be made at some time. This close to the tragedy in Sandy Hook??? I dont see that. But I do believe that these bozo's WILL test the waters first. Look at the resistance, then put a plan in place up to and including Obama's civilian army corp. This WILL be a tough thing to pass. By executive order or not. Talk about a civil war??? Either way, be ready. As for those who say NO WAY NOT MY GUNS!!! If you have NEVER had live bullets grazing your A$$....trust me on this, it will be hard on you and your families. You may not be ready psychologically, let alone physically. We will be out numbered and out gunned. DO NOT LOOK FOR HELP FROM OUR CIVILIAN POPULATION !!! They will NOT help you.Have a plan in place for your loved ones. These people will play un-fair and illegal.The new law allowing americans to be held indefinitely without representation was passed for a reason. If caught, which we will....our families may never see us again unless we give up others in our stead. Media will villafy us, friends will turn us in for the reward or for just a break on a DUI. Think I'm kidding? I see it all the time in cell block. Not for a break...just to be released till next court date. They will turn their Ma Ma's in for a dollar. I'm sorry its come to this guys. But I am on your side. I am having discussions with my wife WHEN it happens. You see for me... there is nothing worth anything if I cannot have my freedom. There is no freedom without a gun to enforce it seriously. Without our firearms??? The Govt. can and will do ANYTHING it wants. God Bless the USA...we're gonna need it. As for the article? Just be ready.Pray for the best, prepare for the worst. I hope at least one of you knuckleheads has a cell next to mine.
Pastor Dennis

Hmmm for once, I actually agree with your craziness.  Obama - EO13528 should concern anyone who is stupid enough to call for civil war.  The civilian population is simply not equipped to challenge the forces that can be deployed. 

Really? They don't? It actually does...a quick example: Roosevelt - EO9066 (Only took 46 years to "fix"). One just has to examine the 20000+ orders issued by Presidents over the years. Implementing policy in times of "national crisis" or on grounds of public safety and security, has become the norm. 

that was a long time ago, in a state of war, playing on a racist nation who didnt give a shit period.  that's a little different than today.

that was a long time ago, in a state of war, playing on a racist nation who didnt give a shit period.  that's a little different than today.

Is it?  The media plays us out to be crazy, racist, and they make 'assault wepons' into some kind of emergnecy.

Sounds to me like a perfect set up for an EO.

that was a long time ago, in a state of war, playing on a racist nation who didnt give a shit period.  that's a little different than today.

Roosevelt's Order was based on National Security concerns...Italian and German Americans were also subject to internment.

Clearly you are totally missing the point here and claiming that an Executive Order can't/won't happen is simply a blind view. Article 2 of the U.S. Constitution has granted the President the power to issue orders since ratification.  And regardless of how many orders are recinded/overruled in court, that part of the Constitution HAS NOT been amendend and remains in place.

Honestly is amazes me how people, who vehemently fight for and support the 2nd Amendment, find it so easy to outright ignore the rest of the U.S. Constitution when it suits them.

Is it?  The media plays us out to be crazy, racist, and they make 'assault wepons' into some kind of emergnecy.

Sounds to me like a perfect set up for an EO.

They don't have to paint us as crazy or racist.  The simple claim of "National Security", is all thats necessary. Just think of how many times those words come up in press conferences and hearings.




This has nothing to do with tin-foil hats. Just the reality of the situation. Every statement by the anti-gun groups and politicians is laying the ground work for action. All while pro-2A folk argue semantics and hypotheticals.

Roosevelt's Order was based on National Security concerns...Italian and German Americans were also subject to internment.

Clearly you are totally missing the point here and claiming that an Executive Order can't/won't happen is simply a blind view. Article 2 of the U.S. Constitution has granted the President the power to issue orders since ratification.  And regardless of how many orders are recinded/overruled in court, that part of the Constitution HAS NOT been amendend and remains in place.

im not ignoring anything.  the executive order can also not be used to flat out create a new law.  its there to clarify.  last i checked, we dont have any confiscation laws on the books, so it would be pretty hard for him to make an executive order such that confiscation would be considered a clarification.

im not ignoring anything.  the executive order can also not be used to flat out create a new law.  its there to clarify.  last i checked, we dont have any confiscation laws on the books, so it would be pretty hard for him to make an executive order such that confiscation would be considered a clarification.

Just to add my two cents...Obama is somewhat arrogant. Just take Obama Care as an example...I believe 26 states opposed and sued and it didn't phase him. He is more than willing to leave it in the courts hands. Nothing seems sacred anymore. Just saying...I don't trust what or what he is not capable of doing these days, whether it appears legal or not on the surface.

Just to add my two cents...Obama is somewhat arrogant. Just take Obama Care as an example...I believe 26 states opposed and sued and it didn't phase him. He is more than willing to leave it in the courts hands. Nothing seems sacred anymore. Just saying...I don't trust what or what he is not capable of doing these days, whether it appears legal or not on the surface.

i'd be more worried if he had more support, but a slim majority in the senate and a rather disadvantaged minority in the house, plus barely half the public isnt going to let him get away with that.  its just not going to fly with the house we have, nor with the courts, so long as we dont have any unfortunate deaths.

im not ignoring anything.  the executive order can also not be used to flat out create a new law.  its there to clarify.  last i checked, we dont have any confiscation laws on the books, so it would be pretty hard for him to make an executive order such that confiscation would be considered a clarification.

Not sure why you insist on interpreting to suit your view of things...Maybe you're mistaking policy directives or proclimations? Whatever it might be, a Presidential Executive Order does not require precedent, nor does it have anything to do with clarification of existing law. It's a simple fact: An Executive Order, once issued and entered/published in the Federal Register, IS LAW and remains in full effect until it expires, is revoked, altered, or vacated by Supreme Court ruling.

I acknowledge my focus of study was not Constitutional law and it's been a few years since I cracked open a text book, BUT I'm fairly certain my knowledge and grasp of the matter is slightly better than what you might Google. Feel free to continue believing what you want.

Colt808, glad you and I agree on something. BY the way, I'm not THAT crazy.? Am I Seriously I am not an educated man or woman such as you and I will take any advice you give me, spit out all the bones and use what I need. But I can only base my opinion on what I see and read and hear. My lack of education outside of high school is no help Colt808 But, hey, I am still teachable at 56. FYI...NOT ONE single police officer I have spoken too agrees with any more restrictions on guns. Hawaii has gone far enough and the law enacted has done NO significant change in crime except to give punk a$$ cops who shouldnt be cops anyway , leverage to harass law abiding citizens and those young people who will stumble while maturing after turning 18. There are times when being young and making mistakes that a cop could do more good for his or her community by a stern lecture, a kind word, or simply verbally kicking them in their A$$. But NOOOOOOOO arrest and make them felons?? I just dont get the methos to the madness. The same rule or yard stick doesnt appear to apply to these few individual officers. Too bad. Anyway I'm off subject. Hey, Colt808, feel free to educate me on stuff you think where I am going too much left or right. I sure could use it. O.K. ? Thanks man.
Pastor Dennis

Not sure why you insist on interpreting to suit your view of things...Maybe you're mistaking policy directives or proclimations? Whatever it might be, a Presidential Executive Order does not require precedent, nor does it have anything to do with clarification of existing law. It's a simple fact: An Executive Order, once issued and entered/published in the Federal Register, IS LAW and remains in full effect until it expires, is revoked, altered, or vacated by Supreme Court ruling.

I acknowledge my focus of study was not Constitutional law and it's been a few years since I cracked open a text book, BUT I'm fairly certain my knowledge and grasp of the matter is slightly better than what you might Google. Feel free to continue believing what you want.

no, executive orders are not supposed to just create new laws. whether presidents do that is a different matter.  but it still needs congressional approval either before or after the fact, and since Barry doesnt exactly have undeniable support in congress, i really dont think he's going to try something like that.  ever.

he might be anti gun, he might be a political snake, he might be dishonest and he might be a bad president. but what he is not is totally retarded. i dsont trust him, but i also would never expect an executive order of that nature simply because the house would turn on him, and i think more than a few anti gun democrats in congress would too, just because of the magnitude of his transgressions in overstepping his lawful powers.

he cant get away with an executive order like that, which is clearly illegal.  i cant see either the house or the senate being cool with that.

I, for one, am approaching this from a very cautious point of view.  I think there are things at work that, at their very core, are very sinister.  Whether you believe the "conspiracy theories" or not, I wouldn't put all my faith in our congressional leaders choosing to do the right thing.  Think about it.

Take Sandy Hook as the latest example.  Listen to what the (government controlled) mainstream media is saying.  Look at some of the facts.  How quick did the MSM jump on the political bandwagon to misinform the public and sway public opinion with emotion to believe something happened that didn't really happen (i.e. a "Bushmaster Assault Rifle" was used in the killing!)?  Why aren't they even reporting on who the other individuals involved in the shooting are?  Stinks.  Look at the Aurora Theatre shooting.  Tell me, please, how this 23 year old had enough time to plan this entire event while attending Med School FULL-TIME, the tactical experience to fully enact his plan to the tee and use all his equipment proficiently, the money to spend on what is considered Military/LE grade gear (and don't tell me student loans/grants.  It's impossible for this guy to pay for everything he needed for school on top of the amount of firearms, ammunition and tactical gear, on student loans and grants by themselves, let alone rent an apartment at the same time.), learn how to properly rig his apartment to the point where it took the PROFESSIONALS hours to disarm it, all the while attending med school and receiving top marks in his classes?  Stinks.  Bad.

Fiscal Cliff.  Both sides, pointing fingers at each other.  Oh no!  We're going over the Fiscal Cliff!  All just a charade.  If they do nothing, they all get what they want.  Higher taxes on everyone, superficial spending cuts, a broken economy and a currency on the brink of collapse with a populace that hates what conservatism is all about.  What better scenario to have when it comes time to pull the ban hammer on whatever it is that they want to ban.  The people will fall in line with everything, rank and file.

Read THIS.  Whether you believe this kind of thing from "fringe" websites, or not.  Or if you believe in "conspiracy theories," or not, at least take the time to read it.  Consider it.

All of you here pounding the table, saying, "It will never happen!  You're all a bunch of crazies!" are reacting exactly as they would like you to react.  "Oh, this kind of crap is just what these sites do!  Incite fear and panic in the idiots who believe it!"  Go ahead and think that if you want.  All I'm asking is for you to read it, read it carefully, then ask yourself, "Do I truly think that this is beyond the scope of government?  Do I think that the Global Elites are or aren't capable of doing this?"  There's nothing wrong with thinking that this type of thing will never happen.  But there's also nothing wrong with being prepared in case it does.  Are people crazy for preparing for a hurricane?  How many seasons have passed without one occurring?  Yet many people restock and resupply every year.  Are they crazy for wanting to be prepared for an even that may never happen?

Look.  I enjoy watching the market.  I'm not claiming to be some big time trader.  I'm not even a small time trader.  I just pay attention.  But there are things going on that normal people either don't care about, or don't care to inform themselves about.  What's the saying?  It's the economy stupid!  Well, it is.  The writing is on the wall.  Something big is coming.  The derivatives market is immensely over-leveraged (by hundreds of TRILLIONS of dollars), the bond market is ready to burst, metals are being manipulated so blatantly and obviously, but no one does anything about it.  Interest rates are being manipulated, the Fed is one of the only central banks buying treasuries any more (which in and of itself is just sad).  Obama and The Bernanke can't stop easing the market and killing our currency.  The market in and of itself is fraudulent.  HFT is the norm.  It's no longer a "free market" but one that is totally controlled and manipulated by the government.  Consumption doesn't even exist anymore.  Fraud is rewarded with bailouts and the taxpayer gets stuck with the bill.  Oh, housing is up?  Compared to pre-2007, we're still depressed.  Big time.  And just what did it take to turn the housing free-fall into a housing flat-line?  LSAP, easing, twist and credit-market fraud.  And all we can do is flat-line.  The United States has an artificial economy, created and maintained by the federal government, and you don't think they could pull a "conspiracy theory" on the people?

Remember, the Constitution means nothing for those who don't believe in it.  When you have Supreme Court Justices on the Left-side of the aisle (remember, our "conservative" justice recently pulled a Benedict Arnold on us...Yeah...Conservative my @$$) trashing everything that the Constitution & Bill of Rights stand for, all it becomes is a meaningless piece of paper.  What good is having 3 parts to government if all 3 think and act alike?  Keep believing that the government has your best interests in mind.  Keep thinking that they'll always be there for you and this type of thing is beyond the scope of anything ever done in the history of the United States.  But when the rug gets pulled out from under you, and you look around and ask, "How could they ever do this to us?" don't say you haven't been warned. 

Good God, some of you people need to get off of the internet.

 I'm honestly not on as much as you think I am. 

I, for one, am approaching this from a very cautious point of view.  I think there are things at work that, at their very core, are very sinister.  Whether you believe the "conspiracy theories" or not, I wouldn't put all my faith in our congressional leaders choosing to do the right thing.  Think about it.

Take Sandy Hook as the latest example.  Listen to what the (government controlled) mainstream media is saying.  Look at some of the facts.  How quick did the MSM jump on the political bandwagon to misinform the public and sway public opinion with emotion to believe something happened that didn't really happen (i.e. a "Bushmaster Assault Rifle" was used in the killing!)?  Why aren't they even reporting on who the other individuals involved in the shooting are?  Stinks.  Look at the Aurora Theatre shooting.  Tell me, please, how this 23 year old had enough time to plan this entire event while attending Med School FULL-TIME, the tactical experience to fully enact his plan to the tee and use all his equipment proficiently, the money to spend on what is considered Military/LE grade gear (and don't tell me student loans/grants.  It's impossible for this guy to pay for everything he needed for school on top of the amount of firearms, ammunition and tactical gear, on student loans and grants by themselves, let alone rent an apartment at the same time.), learn how to properly rig his apartment to the point where it took the PROFESSIONALS hours to disarm it, all the while attending med school and receiving top marks in his classes?  Stinks.  Bad.

Fiscal Cliff.  Both sides, pointing fingers at each other.  Oh no!  We're going over the Fiscal Cliff!  All just a charade.  If they do nothing, they all get what they want.  Higher taxes on everyone, superficial spending cuts, a broken economy and a currency on the brink of collapse with a populace that hates what conservatism is all about.  What better scenario to have when it comes time to pull the ban hammer on whatever it is that they want to ban.  The people will fall in line with everything, rank and file.

Read THIS.  Whether you believe this kind of thing from "fringe" websites, or not.  Or if you believe in "conspiracy theories," or not, at least take the time to read it.  Consider it.

All of you here pounding the table, saying, "It will never happen!  You're all a bunch of crazies!" are reacting exactly as they would like you to react.  "Oh, this kind of crap is just what these sites do!  Incite fear and panic in the idiots who believe it!"  Go ahead and think that if you want.  All I'm asking is for you to read it, read it carefully, then ask yourself, "Do I truly think that this is beyond the scope of government?  Do I think that the Global Elites are or aren't capable of doing this?"  There's nothing wrong with thinking that this type of thing will never happen.  But there's also nothing wrong with being prepared in case it does.  Are people crazy for preparing for a hurricane?  How many seasons have passed without one occurring?  Yet many people restock and resupply every year.  Are they crazy for wanting to be prepared for an even that may never happen?

Look.  I enjoy watching the market.  I'm not claiming to be some big time trader.  I'm not even a small time trader.  I just pay attention.  But there are things going on that normal people either don't care about, or don't care to inform themselves about.  What's the saying?  It's the economy stupid!  Well, it is.  The writing is on the wall.  Something big is coming.  The derivatives market is immensely over-leveraged (by hundreds of TRILLIONS of dollars), the bond market is ready to burst, metals are being manipulated so blatantly and obviously, but no one does anything about it.  Interest rates are being manipulated, the Fed is one of the only central banks buying treasuries any more (which in and of itself is just sad).  Obama and The Bernanke can't stop easing the market and killing our currency.  The market in and of itself is fraudulent.  HFT is the norm.  It's no longer a "free market" but one that is totally controlled and manipulated by the government.  Consumption doesn't even exist anymore.  Fraud is rewarded with bailouts and the taxpayer gets stuck with the bill.  Oh, housing is up?  Compared to pre-2007, we're still depressed.  Big time.  And just what did it take to turn the housing free-fall into a housing flat-line?  LSAP, easing, twist and credit-market fraud.  And all we can do is flat-line.  The United States has an artificial economy, created and maintained by the federal government, and you don't think they could pull a "conspiracy theory" on the people?

Remember, the Constitution means nothing for those who don't believe in it.  When you have Supreme Court Justices on the Left-side of the aisle (remember, our "conservative" justice recently pulled a Benedict Arnold on us...Yeah...Conservative my @$$) trashing everything that the Constitution & Bill of Rights stand for, all it becomes is a meaningless piece of paper.  What good is having 3 parts to government if all 3 think and act alike?  Keep believing that the government has your best interests in mind.  Keep thinking that they'll always be there for you and this type of thing is beyond the scope of anything ever done in the history of the United States.  But when the rug gets pulled out from under you, and you look around and ask, "How could they ever do this to us?" don't say you haven't been warned. 

+1 

no, executive orders are not supposed to just create new laws. whether presidents do that is a different matter.  but it still needs congressional approval either before or after the fact, and since Barry doesnt exactly have undeniable support in congress, i really dont think he's going to try something like that.  ever.

he might be anti gun, he might be a political snake, he might be dishonest and he might be a bad president. but what he is not is totally retarded. i dsont trust him, but i also would never expect an executive order of that nature simply because the house would turn on him, and i think more than a few anti gun democrats in congress would too, just because of the magnitude of his transgressions in overstepping his lawful powers.

he cant get away with an executive order like that, which is clearly illegal.  i cant see either the house or the senate being cool with that.

You're wrong. Exectutive orders do not need the support or approval because it completely bypasses congress. Its one of the reasons people hate the concept and I'm not sure why that is being argued.

Colt really doesnt need someone coming to his defense.  Anyone who knows him would say he is pretty low key and is probably down playing his knowledge. But he did graduate from Stanford Law so he knows what he is talking about. Why he decided stay in the Army instead of practice law is the real mystery.

I, for one, am approaching this from a very cautious point of view.  I think there are things at work that, at their very core, are very sinister.  Whether you believe the "conspiracy theories" or not, I wouldn't put all my faith in our congressional leaders choosing to do the right thing.  Think about it.

Take Sandy Hook as the latest example.  Listen to what the (government controlled) mainstream media is saying.  Look at some of the facts.  How quick did the MSM jump on the political bandwagon to misinform the public and sway public opinion with emotion to believe something happened that didn't really happen (i.e. a "Bushmaster Assault Rifle" was used in the killing!)?  Why aren't they even reporting on who the other individuals involved in the shooting are?  Stinks.  Look at the Aurora Theatre shooting.  Tell me, please, how this 23 year old had enough time to plan this entire event while attending Med School FULL-TIME, the tactical experience to fully enact his plan to the tee and use all his equipment proficiently, the money to spend on what is considered Military/LE grade gear (and don't tell me student loans/grants.  It's impossible for this guy to pay for everything he needed for school on top of the amount of firearms, ammunition and tactical gear, on student loans and grants by themselves, let alone rent an apartment at the same time.), learn how to properly rig his apartment to the point where it took the PROFESSIONALS hours to disarm it, all the while attending med school and receiving top marks in his classes?  Stinks.  Bad.

Fiscal Cliff.  Both sides, pointing fingers at each other.  Oh no!  We're going over the Fiscal Cliff!  All just a charade.  If they do nothing, they all get what they want.  Higher taxes on everyone, superficial spending cuts, a broken economy and a currency on the brink of collapse with a populace that hates what conservatism is all about.  What better scenario to have when it comes time to pull the ban hammer on whatever it is that they want to ban.  The people will fall in line with everything, rank and file.

Read THIS.  Whether you believe this kind of thing from "fringe" websites, or not.  Or if you believe in "conspiracy theories," or not, at least take the time to read it.  Consider it.

All of you here pounding the table, saying, "It will never happen!  You're all a bunch of crazies!" are reacting exactly as they would like you to react.  "Oh, this kind of crap is just what these sites do!  Incite fear and panic in the idiots who believe it!"  Go ahead and think that if you want.  All I'm asking is for you to read it, read it carefully, then ask yourself, "Do I truly think that this is beyond the scope of government?  Do I think that the Global Elites are or aren't capable of doing this?"  There's nothing wrong with thinking that this type of thing will never happen.  But there's also nothing wrong with being prepared in case it does.  Are people crazy for preparing for a hurricane?  How many seasons have passed without one occurring?  Yet many people restock and resupply every year.  Are they crazy for wanting to be prepared for an even that may never happen?

Look.  I enjoy watching the market.  I'm not claiming to be some big time trader.  I'm not even a small time trader.  I just pay attention.  But there are things going on that normal people either don't care about, or don't care to inform themselves about.  What's the saying?  It's the economy stupid!  Well, it is.  The writing is on the wall.  Something big is coming.  The derivatives market is immensely over-leveraged (by hundreds of TRILLIONS of dollars), the bond market is ready to burst, metals are being manipulated so blatantly and obviously, but no one does anything about it.  Interest rates are being manipulated, the Fed is one of the only central banks buying treasuries any more (which in and of itself is just sad).  Obama and The Bernanke can't stop easing the market and killing our currency.  The market in and of itself is fraudulent.  HFT is the norm.  It's no longer a "free market" but one that is totally controlled and manipulated by the government.  Consumption doesn't even exist anymore.  Fraud is rewarded with bailouts and the taxpayer gets stuck with the bill.  Oh, housing is up?  Compared to pre-2007, we're still depressed.  Big time.  And just what did it take to turn the housing free-fall into a housing flat-line?  LSAP, easing, twist and credit-market fraud.  And all we can do is flat-line.  The United States has an artificial economy, created and maintained by the federal government, and you don't think they could pull a "conspiracy theory" on the people?

Remember, the Constitution means nothing for those who don't believe in it.  When you have Supreme Court Justices on the Left-side of the aisle (remember, our "conservative" justice recently pulled a Benedict Arnold on us...Yeah...Conservative my @$$) trashing everything that the Constitution & Bill of Rights stand for, all it becomes is a meaningless piece of paper.  What good is having 3 parts to government if all 3 think and act alike?  Keep believing that the government has your best interests in mind.  Keep thinking that they'll always be there for you and this type of thing is beyond the scope of anything ever done in the history of the United States.  But when the rug gets pulled out from under you, and you look around and ask, "How could they ever do this to us?" don't say you haven't been warned.

Thats both interesting and strange. Guess it is one post that actually fits the topic.